tkd_person89

If you crosstrained in MT, would you replace the TKD roundhouse with the MT RH?

Why or why not?

Whispers

I would learn them both and use them both in the appropriate situation. It seems that if they're different enough that you have to relearn thewhole kick, then they're differenr enough that one might be more adventageous than the other under certain circumstances.

Sagacious Lu

What's the difference between the two?

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tkd_person89

TKD kick is more snappy and makes contact with your foot.

MT kicks swings like a baseball bat and swings through its target, making contact with the shin bone.

So TKD kick = Sufficient power,but better speed

MT kick= Sufficient speed, but better power

Sagacious Lu

Do they actually throw the kick differently though? I've had three different MA teachers (in three different styles) and they all taught roundhouse kicks the same way. I've never studied either MT or TKD but my impression was that a roundhouse kick is a roundhouse kick regardless of what style you're practicing. If I've got that wrong than someone please explain how the technique is different. If you practice roundhouse kicks regularly you know that you can aim to strike with your shin just as easily as your foot, and of course following through with a strike is going to generate more power. You're still using the same basic motion though. I think this question is misguided because no matter who's school you train in, the way to get powerful kicks is to practice kicking. If you meet an MT guy who kicks harder it's because he trained harder, not because he has some secret kicking technique that other styles don't know about.

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tkd_person89

No, the MT roundhouse IS different in technique. It is a very unique technique. Most arts like TKD, Karate, and Kung fu have similar rounhouses. But MT has a special RH technique.

Sagacious Lu

I'm not convinced... what do they do differently? If there is a way to throw a roundhouse kick that I'm unaware of I'd like to know about it so I can experiment on my heavy bag and see for myself. I'd really like to hear someone who's serious about MT like Khun Kao weigh in on this.

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Sagacious Lu

I think you might be right on the money with this one

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MT&BJJ@noob

I don't know how your school name the TKD kicks, but I never heard TKD has roundhouse kick because roundhouse kick is a unique kick of thai boxing ,so I think TKD person was trying to say "Turning kick" instead.

I my view, Turning kick has no good compare with Roundhouse kick.
First of all, snappy kick is weak no matter which angle unless you kick opponent's dick.
Second, Turning kick's 35(roughly) degree angle kicking direction which has not much hip movement cause no power and easy to hit on elbow to case ankle injury.
Third, Turning kick's hit with foot which give huge pressure to the ankle and case injury.

aseepish

A Muay Thai "roundhouse" kick (in MT, we just call it the kick) IS very different from a turning kick. A turning kick gets a lot of its power from the snap of the leg. I wouldn't call it weak - I've seen KOs from a well timed turning kick.

A Muay Thai kick gets most of its power from the hip. The kick isn't chambered. I wouldn't call it slow either. Check out the Ramon Dekkers clips on the Muay Thai Forum.

I've replaced my Jun Fan "Hook Kick" (similar to a TKD turning kick, only it isn't chambered) with my MT roundhouse for kicks to the legs, ribs, and midsection (and head in training). The lead leg hook kick to the groin still works great though. I also like Savate's Fouette kick to the groin, solar plexus, or kidney. For those who don't know, it's a whipping kick done with shoes or boots on, contact is made with the point of the toe.

MT kick mechanics:
http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/mt/kk1.html
http://www.subfighter.com/article933

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Maxx

When I started training in Taekwondo in the mid 70's, I remember the Roundhouse kick being taught by throwing the hip and the stomach as well as pivoting on the foot. It was a very powerful kick and it was meant to injure someone. It has evolved a lot and become much more reliant on the snap of the knee rather than the turning of the hips over the last 30 years. I was never a big competitor in TKD tournaments but I'll assume that this evolution was towards a more sport oriented technique.

When I started training in Muay Thai in 1990, the way that the kick was taught reminded me of the old way of teaching the TKD Roundhouse Kick, but the thais had a much more refined technique... probably due to the fact that they did a lot more bag and pad training then Korean Martial artists did at that time.

tkd_person89

Yes I am taught the roundhouse that you were taught. Turn and put your hip into it.

Nonetheless, MT RH IS different.

Acitic

If you were taught the same "Turning Kick" why did your explination lack the hip part.... that is a big part for power.....

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tkd_person89

Because MT kick is known throughout the MA community for having the most devastating roundhouse kick.

I'm pretty sure TKD still - regardless of ITF or WTF - still teaches one to pivot, put the hip into it, and then kick, that is of course, you're in a mcdojang.

TKD kick is powerful. The point is, however, the MT kicks IS a little different in execution and is more powerful. Everyone agrees with that statement. The MT RH is unrivaled in power.