akio123

I just want to ask if this guy really has a match between the muay thai fighter because as i see on this video the TKD guy always got critical dmg than the kick boxer....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sk7O8ELJD...%20muay%20thai

Acitic

well what is the tkd going to on the the ground in a no rules fight other than get his head stomped in.

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Acitic

also, i think the fight is stupid, no punching to the face always makes for an unrealistic fight. What is the point of going to a tournament if you are not able to teast your limits. They don't even look like they are having fun!!!

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blitz

The TKD got his ass kicked in this video :S
Still I gotta hand it to the MT guy, this match was very lame. Kicking only is stupid.

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Piston

Not only that but the kicks thrown were nothing special at all.

Balrog

It doesn't really matter what the styles being used are. It's quite obvious that this video shows someone who is significantly better in his chosen style than the opponent is in his chosen style.

Now, as to the TKD guy - all I can see is that I have Brown Belts in my school that spar better than that.

ZeroAquaduct

I seen this video before. The TKD fighter doesn't seem to have too much determination or competitiveness. And it certainly looks like he never trained on a heavy bag before because his kicks are really weak. He's lucky the Muay Thai fighter didn't decide to finish him because he would've been toasted.

Maxx

As a long time ITF black belt I have to admit that it does sadden me to see someone from the style I started in get worked over so badly, but I don't feel that it's a failure of the art in question, just the training methods used and the lack of exposure to people and athletes who train in that manner.

With proper training TKD style kicking can be made to work in Muay Thai style competitions with devastating results. I don't know if any of you remember Andy Hug or not. He was a blackbelt I believe in Seido Kai Kan and later became a K1 Fighter. While not a TKD stylist per se, he did incorporate a lot of TKD style kicks into his arsenal, most notably the axe kick which he was famous for. The thing is he trained them like a kickboxer would train them... not the way a traditional martial artist would train them.

kuk sool won

Andy was stricting Seido Kai Kan - Karate. The axe kick is a lot more common in Seido Kai Kan than it is in TKD, it is, by no means a TKD style kick. Notice the wiping motion from his hip into his knee? The majority of his kicks cut downwards, almost symbolic of Seido Kai Kan fighters wouldn't you say?

Don't get me wrong im a fan of TKD but these kicks had not real relation to TKD at all.

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Maxx

Seido Kai Kan was established in 1980 by Kazuyoshi Ishii. The Ax Kick/Hatchet Kick/Pick-shaped Kick was practiced in various systems of Taekwon-do long before that branch of karate was established. I've even trained with several people from japan who were blackbelts in Kyokushin and Seidokai who said that the ax kick was probably borrowed from TKD, so I find your position on the origins of the kick hard to believe.

Regardless of it's origins it doesn't invalidate what I wrote before.

kuk sool won

Read my post, i never once mentioned that it was the origin, only that it is more popular in Seido Kai Kan than it is in TKD. I could guarantee you that it was used BEFORE the establishment of TKD.

i think i have regarded your post quite thoroughly.

'he did incorporate a lot of TKD style kicks into his arsenal, most notably the axe kick which he was famous for.' Not only was the axe kick around long before TKD but its more common in Kai Kan than it is in TKD, so really, where is the connection there? I could also point out that, as KSW was offically established before SKK that the axe kick was borrowed from KSW, although indeed this is incorrect its the same, weak logic that you have used my friend.

I do beleive that TKD kicking can be used effectively in 'Muay Thai style competitions' but i do not beleive that Andy Hug is a good or indeed valid example of this.

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Toudiyama[NL]

If an Axe kick is the same as a turning backward round kick AKA Ushiro Mawashi geri, than that kick already excisted in JJJ around the turn of the 19th centrury
Asking Kyokushin people about history.........I don't know

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kuk sool won

no an axe kick comes from above and directly down, connecting vertically with your heel.

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Maxx

Here's a clip of Andy Hug. During several instances in the short you'll see him throwing the ax kick.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZKhA7KlSE...rch=andy%20hug

Maxx

That's really the only point that I'm trying to make, Kuk sool. We just seem to dissagree on the example that I've set, which is no problem. Regardless of the style he practiced, I've always felt that Andy Hug is what a properly trained combative TKD fighter should look like despite the fact that his training was in traditional Japanese Martial arts.

With regards to the ax kick issue though, I have no doubt that the technique was used before the formation of Taekwondo which occurred in 1955. I have seen pictures of various Korean masters from the 1940's demonstrating the technique. Those instructors were heads of various Kwons or the individual schools of Korean Martial arts that existed before the unification of TKD in the mid 50's.