Here's a quick question...

lindz · 01-27-2007, 05:32 PM

Why is it that when some people do a turning (roundhouse) kick that their feet are "floopy" and they end up not keeping their foot inline with the leg, thus kicking with the toes???

I think that it has something to do with the muscles in the front of the calf, and that FFS (floppy foot syndrome, lol) can be prevented with calf raisers (an exercise when you go up on tiptoes, and back down, strengthing the calf muscles.), but I was wondering if anyone else has seen this before, and has found ways to prevent it.

eXcessiveForce · 01-27-2007, 07:17 PM

students do this all the time. FFS is normal.

How to prevent it. Beat your students when ever they try to pass off FFS as a proper kick.

lindz · 01-27-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by eXcessiveForce

students do this all the time. FFS is normal.

How to prevent it. Beat your students when ever they try to pass off FFS as a proper kick.

If your must use force, make it excessive, right???

No, I can't...some of them are white belts, you can't pick on white belts unless they are really really annoying.

Tom Yum · 01-27-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lindz

No, I can't...some of them are white belts, you can't pick on white belts unless they are really really annoying.

You don't have to pick on them, just beat 'em....joking ofcourse.

The point he's making is to enforce good form with negative reinforcement. If they mess up, drop and make em do pushups.

eXcessiveForce · 01-27-2007, 07:56 PM

No you don't need to pick on them.

What I'm suggesting is people live up or down to your expectations. Do not accept it and they will stop doing it.

Reward with praise those that do it correctly. And correct those who do it incorrectly.

Or tell them to kick the pads really hard for 20 minutes every class and they will learn for themselves that they need to change something.

GranFire · 01-27-2007, 10:23 PM

That's what you are the instructor for!

You tell, you demonstrate, you correct, rinse, repeat, puke coat hangers, repeat again, bang head into wall, repeat, get drunk, start over the next day.

Every time, every kick: toes back, you'll be hitting the target with...

No picking on the White Belts, they have enough trouble sorting out what goes where, just show them the correct way, over and over again. Higher Belts...past Yellow, that is another story!

lindz · 02-16-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GranFire

That's what you are the instructor for!

You tell, you demonstrate, you correct, rinse, repeat, puke coat hangers, repeat again, bang head into wall, repeat, get drunk, start over the next day.

Every time, every kick: toes back, you'll be hitting the target with...

No picking on the White Belts, they have enough trouble sorting out what goes where, just show them the correct way, over and over again. Higher Belts...past Yellow, that is another story!

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I'm 17...I'm not allowed to get drunk...

Oh, and I tried the whole hit the pads really hard, and it works...for the most part

GranFire · 02-16-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lindz

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I'm 17...I'm not allowed to get drunk...

Oh, and I tried the whole hit the pads really hard, and it works...for the most part

Sorry to hear that (age restriction that is!

)

You just have to stick with the steps leading up to it. Too bad we don't have 20 minutes nor enough bags to have the worst offenders work it out...

But in reality, it starts with the stretches!

lindz · 02-16-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GranFire

Sorry to hear that (age restriction that is!

)

You just have to stick with the steps leading up to it. Too bad we don't have 20 minutes nor enough bags to have the worst offenders work it out...

But in reality, it starts with the stretches!

I only make them do about 10 kicks after each class, they are kids so their parents are waiting, and I train two classes so I need a major water break...

but it's really cool to see how much better they have gotten...

GranFire · 02-16-2007, 12:59 PM

Sometimes we have 30 kids in one class and only 4 bags, not counting the mini one for the little people.

But we make our rounds through the rows with targets during class and correct them...as much as possible...

lindz · 02-16-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GranFire

Sometimes we have 30 kids in one class and only 4 bags, not counting the mini one for the little people.

But we make our rounds through the rows with targets during class and correct them...as much as possible...

I only work with two or three kids at a time and we use the handheld pads...and if there is like 30000 little tykes running around, we divide them by belt rank so they are able to get to kick the pad...

GranFire · 02-16-2007, 01:04 PM

Yes, everybody gets a turn.

lindz · 02-16-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GranFire

Yes, everybody gets a turn.

I was a little concerned...okay, are you a girl or a boy? thats so random...

GranFire · 02-16-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lindz

I was a little concerned...okay, are you a girl or a boy? thats so random...

I'm a girl. Older model, but female.

lindz · 02-16-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GranFire

I'm a girl. Older model, but female.

lol, that's what I thought. It's nice to see some other girl black belts on here

01-27-2007, 05:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
lindz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 76	Here's a quick question... Why is it that when some people do a turning (roundhouse) kick that their feet are "floopy" and they end up not keeping their foot inline with the leg, thus kicking with the toes??? I think that it has something to do with the muscles in the front of the calf, and that FFS (floppy foot syndrome, lol) can be prevented with calf raisers (an exercise when you go up on tiptoes, and back down, strengthing the calf muscles.), but I was wondering if anyone else has seen this before, and has found ways to prevent it. __________________ A day without laughter is a day wasted

01-27-2007, 07:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,685	students do this all the time. FFS is normal. How to prevent it. Beat your students when ever they try to pass off FFS as a proper kick. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

01-27-2007, 07:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,685	No you don't need to pick on them. What I'm suggesting is people live up or down to your expectations. Do not accept it and they will stop doing it. Reward with praise those that do it correctly. And correct those who do it incorrectly. Or tell them to kick the pads really hard for 20 minutes every class and they will learn for themselves that they need to change something. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

01-27-2007, 10:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
GranFire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South East Posts: 586	That's what you are the instructor for! You tell, you demonstrate, you correct, rinse, repeat, puke coat hangers, repeat again, bang head into wall, repeat, get drunk, start over the next day. Every time, every kick: toes back, you'll be hitting the target with... No picking on the White Belts, they have enough trouble sorting out what goes where, just show them the correct way, over and over again. Higher Belts...past Yellow, that is another story! __________________ Banner by www.fiveancestors.com http://itatigerforum.proboards103.com/ It's not the size of the dog in the fight - it's the size of the fight in the dog

02-16-2007, 12:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
GranFire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South East Posts: 586	Sometimes we have 30 kids in one class and only 4 bags, not counting the mini one for the little people. But we make our rounds through the rows with targets during class and correct them...as much as possible... __________________ Banner by www.fiveancestors.com http://itatigerforum.proboards103.com/ It's not the size of the dog in the fight - it's the size of the fight in the dog

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GranFire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South East Posts: 586	Yes, everybody gets a turn. __________________ Banner by www.fiveancestors.com http://itatigerforum.proboards103.com/ It's not the size of the dog in the fight - it's the size of the fight in the dog

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