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Old 01-31-2007, 01:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Lock On - Joint Lock DVDs

The first two Lock On:Joint Locking Essentials are complete. Volume 1 focuses on wrist locks and Volume 2 focuses on arm bars and elbow locks.

You can learn more about them, including a clip, here:

http://aikiproductions.com/store/dvd.html

Also, here is a clip on youtube that has techniques from both volumes 1 & 2:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN8i6JrHs2o

I'm really looking forward to hearing people's comments and reviews.

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Old 01-31-2007, 02:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I watched the YouTube videos and I'm a little skeptical about someone pulling them off under pressure.
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against an opponent who didn't know breakfalls or didn't see the lock coming, a lot of those techniques would result in both people still on their feet and one with a broken joint. not necessarily a bad thing of course, just something important to keep in mind.
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I am starting to learn Hanmudo (I can't get the first 5 grips of 12 or so right, shows you what a n00b I am) but the strain on the joints is very real - remember to tap out!!!!! and if performed less than smooth...ouch! (But I still want to see how the stuff works when the attacker outweighs you by - uhm - your own body weight and has hands twice your size...I tried out old ARC techniques on my 15 year old Nephew, wrestler on the school squat = no dice...)
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I was skeptical about some of the wrist-lock throws used, especially against punches.

Everything else looked fine. I've studied Hapkido for a number of years - loved the escapes, the breakfalls, the kicking but not all the takedowns.

Some just didn't seem like they'd work.
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The Lock On clip shows some of the fancier moves in slow motion. The DVD instructs on a variety of locks, some more practical than others.

You can say the same thing about any martial art curriculum. In fact, I have been in a lot of fights where I never used a joint lock or control move at all. But I have been in altercations where I have used locks. Have I used every lock in the Hapkido curriculum in real fights? No. Do I still practice and teach them? Yes. Part of it is teaching the martial art.

While the Lock On dvd series is not only for people in Hapkido, the majority of the techniques are right out of the Hapkido curriculum I learned in Korea and teach today in my Hapkido classes and seminars. I enjoy joint locks, as do many others, and that is why I put this series together, so people could learn locks. There are many varieties taught in the dvds, and by learning them all, and then going beyond what I teach to form you own combintations and such based on the principles taught in the dvds you can master joint locks so you have extra tools at your disposal for certain situations. I say on each dvd that locks are not everything, and they are not for every situation.

If you check out my Streetfighting Essentials video set with Paladin Press you will see that I teach an entire program of what I feel are some of the most basic and essential things to learn for self-defense and there is not a lock in either tape. (Should also be available in dvd later this year)

I even say in the Lock On dvds that some locks are more for show and demonstrations rather that for the street, but demonstrations are a part of many martial arts, and those techniques are also fun to learn and train with. So in that regard, they are important to learn. Also, if you can perform the more complicated locks, you most likely can better perform the easier ones.

And yes, size and strength matter. Anyone who says different has not been there. I have used locks on people much bigger than me. However, there are some locks, some pressure points, etc. that just don't seem to work on some people. When that happens you must be able to go to something else immediately.

The dvds are meant to teach concepts of joint locking with a wide variety of techniques so the viewer can learn this one area of martial arts and self-defense. Locks are not everything, they are just a piece of the whole.

In other programs, I teach other aspects of Hapkido, self-defense, and the martial way. In the Hapkido videos and others out there that teach joint locks, I feel this set will be more beneficial for people to actually learn from. From the reviews my first video with Paladin Press, Hapkido Hoshinsul, has gotten, I feel confident that these will also be valuable training aids for anyone who wants to better their joint locking ability.

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Alain,

Your program looks more than sufficient. I was invited to attend one of your seminars by Spanky (no longer a member here), but unfortunately the drive was too far.

The MA community needs to see standing joint locks, as its a missing part of the equation in many systems - as there are very few complete MA systems that are good in all areas.

I have used wrist locks while grappling in BJJ as grabbing a hold of your gi presents such opportunities and as escapres during some backyard brawls in my younger days, so I know they are valid techniques. What I've found is that wrist locks work well for de-escalation, during escapes or after you've landed a hit that stuns.

In my very humble opinion, pulling a wristlock against a punch requires incredible timing and well tuned fine motor skills, which may not be available when you're fighting (or even sparring with intensity).

If your attacker is sloppy or drunk and throws a big punch that throws them off balance, I can see the hand being readily available to grab, but if the punch is tight, quick and powerful (the way some street fighters and all boxers throw it), the fist isn't around long enough to even fumble with.

Well, I'll have to agree to disagree on the wrist-lock punch defense but its good to see traditional arts that work.
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I do not disagree that if a punch is thrown quickly and pulled back just as quick - as it should be, trapping and putting a joint lock on would be extremely difficult even for someone highly trained, and in that situation there would be a lot of better alternatives than attempting to trap and lock the fast punch.

Mainly - Not getting hit first! Then, most likely striking back with your own palm heel to the nose, or up under the chin, or maybe a low kick to the knee.

With an untrained fighter throwing a punch at you, such as the drunken big brawling punch coming at you, the trained fighter may be able to pull of the lock. You will notice when I teach that I prefer techniques that get you outside, and I more than once in the dvds and during seminars and classes say that as long as you get out of the way of the punch, it is okay if you miss a trap or lock, since you didn't get hurt and when you miss the lock or trap you immediately go to something else, such as your strikes and kicks.

In a self-defense only program, as I stated above, I don't teach the locks, just getting off line, or covering, or both - essentially doing what you have to so you don't get hit and putting yourself in the position to escape toward safety or to attack back with your own tools such as palm heel strikes, elbows and knees if you are close or low kicks.

Everything has its place, and you can never think a certain techniques is going to work 100% - they don't. Nor can you plan on what technique you will use 100% - sometimes you don't have an opening or opportunity for the technique you want to use, so you must do something else.

That's why it is good to have options...

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Do you guys train with the traditional bong or gum? modern weapons or both?










PS - for non Korean stylists, I'm not talking about a smoking bong or buble gum, they are Korean terms for staff and sword.
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In Korea we trained with bong (staff), dan bong (baton), Middle stick, sword, belt, cane, knife, and chucks (Yes nunchaku to use Japanese term). I've been preparing for a safety presentation all day and my Korean is escaping me. :-)

When you are going to class 6 days a week, it is easier to implement more weapons work. Currently I teach two nights a week, so we don't do as much weapon work. The weapons I teach the most are the cane, dan bong, and middle sized stick. In seminars the only weapon I teach is cane, and I can do that with either an all day cane seminar, or a portion of the day cane with the other part of the day focusing on joint locks or other self-defense principles and techniques depending on the group and what they are wanting.

The cane is actually my favorite of the Hapkido weapons.

While I do teach the traditional knife defenses in the Hapkido curriculum, I also teach other more realistic knife work.

Personally, I also train with firearms and modern type weapons, but I do not teach those as part of the Hapkido program. Unfortunately I don't shoot as much as I used to, and I really need to get to the range more.

Hope that answered the question,

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as long as you get out of the way of the punch, it is okay if you miss a trap or lock, since you didn't get hurt and when you miss the lock or trap you immediately go to something else, such as your strikes and kicks.
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What's the quote? Wristlocks are incidental if not accidental? Accidental if not incidental? It's not the dog in the size of the fight? Thai Bri? Where are you when I need you?

My number one use for joint locks - when acquaintences find out that I'm into martial arts and say "Oh yeah? Show me something!" to which I reply "Grab my wrist."

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