MT beginner thinking of switching to TKD-wants advice - Page 3

dogzilla · 05-09-2007, 11:07 AM

khem, did you meant that tkd is only a sport or did you took it as a part of martial arts?

i aint saying nothing, just asking, becouse i didnt understood your post good.

JStinson · 05-09-2007, 01:32 PM

Olympic style sparring is sport, just like other tournament style martial arts. Tae Kwon Do can be a very effective martial art, but not what is seen at the Olympics. The Tae Kwon Do I took is the old style, in other words looked alot like Shotokan. I studied Chung Do Kwan, which was invented by Won Kuk Lee, a student of Shotokan.

Hope that clarifies.

dogzilla · 05-09-2007, 02:38 PM

i understood, but next time tell that taekwondo wtf style is olimpic, ITF style isnt :P hehe

but i know what u mean

DickHardman · 05-09-2007, 06:32 PM

i am aware that there are some tkd schools that teach effective styles of tkd that train outside the restrictions of the sport rules, but i think they may be harder to find right??

DickHardman · 05-09-2007, 06:34 PM

hmm, i didnt know much about the itf, there actaully not too bad.

cool clip. some of those kicks are devastating. after watching this clip, there are a few things from tkd that i would like to incorporate into my training...

YouTube Video

JStinson · 05-09-2007, 08:59 PM

They are harder to find, mainly because they are not the mainstream belt factories. There are some out there, I have met quite a few, most are in little schools or remote locations.

ledfut · 05-09-2007, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildWest.

Olympic style TKD sparring is horseshit!! Good on you for telling it like it is! I totally agree with you.

yeah i actually told my master i would never mention that tkd is in the olympics again because i don't want people to see it and say "that's what tkd is?"

he agreed with me of course.

WildWest. · 05-10-2007, 04:34 PM

Ledfut.

Nice to hear that you and your instructor have some sense about you, and that there are still good TKD clubs about out there.

ledfut · 05-10-2007, 06:59 PM

while we are the best in the area, i'd hardly consider myself good. too much i need to improve upon, but i appreciate the compliment.

JStinson · 05-10-2007, 09:23 PM

While you guys do not like WTF sparring, it does have one thing I do like. No points are awarded unless the person getting hit is off-balanced with a sufficient strike. For those that think they are weak, get hit by one of the Olympians and then tell me they are weak.

Most tournaments now are bull with tip-taps being counted for points. Main reason I do not even go to them anymore, too political and not much real technique involved.

DickHardman · 05-11-2007, 04:04 PM

whats crazy about olypmpic sparring is that those guys are throwing extremely hard shots at each others heads nonstop but they dont keep their hands up at all. is blocking with elbows not allowed in the rules? or do they sacrifice keeping their hands up in order to gain more power in the strikes? after watching these guys i just dont understand why they wouldnt want to protect their head and face more from these kicks? its almost like some of these guys are just letting themselves get knocked out.

YouTube - Taekwondo Best Knockouts

dogzilla · 05-11-2007, 04:16 PM

yeah, i ask my self that to, maybe its a habit, or they think they can get powerful hit by letting their hand down,... but i think if the oponent hits u in the hand its 1 point, so why should they block? but i dont know, havent been on the tournament, yet... i know ill put my guard up,... oh and manily, they are focused on evading the kicks not blocking, so porbably that has to do whit that alot i guess....

ledfut · 05-14-2007, 10:02 AM

the scoring areas in wtf sparring are the chest protector and from the ears forward on the head with the feet, and a straight punch to the chest.

getting kicked in the hand does not result in a point against you.

the only reason i could see keeping my hands down like that would be because it's somewhat easier to roll my hips back and forth (i.e. to do alternating roundhouse kicks quickly).

PlasmaShock · 05-14-2007, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by new_guy

Hi folks,

Please, first of all, I don't want this to turn into another retarded "my style can kick your style's ass" debacle. I believe all arts deserve respect and anyone who achieves his or her potential in their chosen art is a hero.

OK, here goes. I started studying Muay Thai a few months back. I chose MT because It's a beautiful art in it's traditional and purest form, effective, straight forward. Another reason I chose it over all other arts is the emphasis on conditioning as I'm a conditioning fanatic.

So anyway, my school changed curriculum and blended MT into a self defense program invented by the school director. Quality, pure MT instruction is hard to come by where I live. As a result, I started looking at other styles and am totally impressed by the TKD olympic sparring I saw, very inspiring. I'd love to work my way up to that style of sparring. I can also see where TKD may almost be as intense with conditioning as MT. I am considering a switch. . . . . not committed to the change, but I am open to checking out another option.

Now, here's where I put myself at risk of making enemies on the TKD board, which is NOT my intention. Reputation has it that many TKD schools are watered down, I believe the term many use is "mcdojo". Where I live, there is a TKD school on every block it seems!

My question is this: How does a prospective TKD student pick a quality school with quality instruction and avoid McDojo syndrome? Which organizations should I look toward (ATA? ITF? WTF?) and which ones should I avoid. Or are the best schools NOT affiliated at all? What questions should I ask? What do I look for?

Insight? Opinions? Wisdom? I welcome yours.

Do kyokushin. Definitely go for kyokushin. Better than tkd for sparring, thai style kicks, boxing style punches for sparring, and there is modern as well as traditional training. You can't go wrong with kyokushin if your switching from muay thai.

aku aku · 05-20-2007, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlasmaShock

Do kyokushin. Definitely go for kyokushin. Better than tkd for sparring, thai style kicks, boxing style punches for sparring, and there is modern as well as traditional training. You can't go wrong with kyokushin if your switching from muay thai.

Does he even have a kyokushin school in the area?

05-09-2007, 11:07 AM	#31 (permalink)
dogzilla Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 135	khem, did you meant that tkd is only a sport or did you took it as a part of martial arts? i aint saying nothing, just asking, becouse i didnt understood your post good. __________________ R.I.P my dear MOTHER (1965-2004) Martial arts history: Past: 8 years of Judo Present: Taekwondo

05-09-2007, 01:32 PM	#32 (permalink)
JStinson Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 30	Olympic style sparring is sport, just like other tournament style martial arts. Tae Kwon Do can be a very effective martial art, but not what is seen at the Olympics. The Tae Kwon Do I took is the old style, in other words looked alot like Shotokan. I studied Chung Do Kwan, which was invented by Won Kuk Lee, a student of Shotokan. Hope that clarifies. __________________ J Stinson Stinson's Korean Martial Arts Academy Glasgow, KY

05-09-2007, 02:38 PM	#33 (permalink)
dogzilla Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 135	i understood, but next time tell that taekwondo wtf style is olimpic, ITF style isnt :P hehe but i know what u mean __________________ R.I.P my dear MOTHER (1965-2004) Martial arts history: Past: 8 years of Judo Present: Taekwondo

05-09-2007, 08:59 PM	#36 (permalink)
JStinson Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 30	They are harder to find, mainly because they are not the mainstream belt factories. There are some out there, I have met quite a few, most are in little schools or remote locations. __________________ J Stinson Stinson's Korean Martial Arts Academy Glasgow, KY

05-10-2007, 04:34 PM	#38 (permalink)
WildWest. Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NZ Posts: 459	Ledfut. Nice to hear that you and your instructor have some sense about you, and that there are still good TKD clubs about out there. __________________ "Too much weights, not enough speed work"

05-09-2007, 06:32 PM	#34 (permalink)
DickHardman Master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,055	i am aware that there are some tkd schools that teach effective styles of tkd that train outside the restrictions of the sport rules, but i think they may be harder to find right??

05-10-2007, 06:59 PM	#39 (permalink)
ledfut Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 21	while we are the best in the area, i'd hardly consider myself good. too much i need to improve upon, but i appreciate the compliment.

05-10-2007, 09:23 PM	#40 (permalink)
JStinson Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 30	While you guys do not like WTF sparring, it does have one thing I do like. No points are awarded unless the person getting hit is off-balanced with a sufficient strike. For those that think they are weak, get hit by one of the Olympians and then tell me they are weak. Most tournaments now are bull with tip-taps being counted for points. Main reason I do not even go to them anymore, too political and not much real technique involved. __________________ J Stinson Stinson's Korean Martial Arts Academy Glasgow, KY

05-11-2007, 04:16 PM	#42 (permalink)
dogzilla Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 135	yeah, i ask my self that to, maybe its a habit, or they think they can get powerful hit by letting their hand down,... but i think if the oponent hits u in the hand its 1 point, so why should they block? but i dont know, havent been on the tournament, yet... i know ill put my guard up,... oh and manily, they are focused on evading the kicks not blocking, so porbably that has to do whit that alot i guess.... __________________ R.I.P my dear MOTHER (1965-2004) Martial arts history: Past: 8 years of Judo Present: Taekwondo

05-14-2007, 10:02 AM	#43 (permalink)
ledfut Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 21	the scoring areas in wtf sparring are the chest protector and from the ears forward on the head with the feet, and a straight punch to the chest. getting kicked in the hand does not result in a point against you. the only reason i could see keeping my hands down like that would be because it's somewhat easier to roll my hips back and forth (i.e. to do alternating roundhouse kicks quickly).

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