Hwarangdo takedown video - Page 2

medic06 · 02-16-2007, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DickHardman

cool video, but lets not call it something its not. it was all just wrestling and judo/jiu jitsu.

What in the heck are you talking about?

Tom Yum · 02-16-2007, 11:54 PM

Part 1 - Traditional Weapons Forms, Joint Locking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDYicU1kjO4

One of my critiques is that alot of the traditional empty-hand work is too fancy. People don't normally attack you with flying kicks; the joint locks are fine.

Part 2 - Weapon sparring sets, Finishing holds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19waJy5-bG4

Appreciated the two man staff sparring form and the finishing moves. Unfortunately, you have to be a more advanced student before they will teach you alot of the finishing holds - I think the reason is that by then, you will have a greater understanding that these moves are for self-defense.

Tom Yum · 02-17-2007, 12:03 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3V8iYiV4vQ

Tom Yum · 02-17-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DickHardman

cool video, but lets not call it something its not. it was all just wrestling and judo/jiu jitsu.

The Hwarang Do system (and a lot of traditional Korean systems) originated in a Buddhist temple, called Suk Wang Sa in North Korea before the Communist Revolution. A LOT of traditional Korean arts claim lineage from this area. Other Traditional Korean arts claim their origins from the Dae Yon Sa temple in South Korea (i.e. Tukong Musool). Dr. Joo Bang Lee studied under an instructor from the temple Suk Wang Sa temple?

Many Buddhist temples were built in Korea during unstable time periods in China, when Buddhist temples were destroyed by war. With their form of Buddhism, came their forms of martial arts.

The weapons, forms and hand techniques are very similar to those of Chinese styles, but the kicks and sweeps are uniquely Korean. Korea has had its own form of wrestling similar to sumo and greco-roman (sseirum?) which was spread to Japan and had its own kicking/sweeping art of taekyon but I believe the joint locking and grappling were inherited from aikijutsu and jujitsu.

Many Korean arts claim combat techniques in several ranges since their arts had many influences.

Hwarang means way of the flowering manhood -> I know, not very masculine sounding, but I guarantee you many of their black belts can fight.

Keep in mind, South Koreans were hired as mercenaries to work along side Americans during the Vietnam war. We were so overcome by the effectiveness of their close-combat skills, that Tae kwon do was added to combatives.

kuk sool won · 02-17-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by medic06

What in the heck are you talking about?

Yes, some of it is wrestling and JJ, not all of it but that doesnt make any difference as long as though its effective, a good art should evolve with time and bring in useful peices from other arts.

Some of it isn't wrestling jj or judo however and its easy to see (especially to me as our arts have large similarities) that all they have done is advanced some of the already existant takedowns and applied them more realistically

7r14ngL3Ch0k3 · 02-17-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kuk sool won

Yes, some of it is wrestling and JJ, not all of it but that doesnt make any difference as long as though its effective, a good art should evolve with time and bring in useful peices from other arts.

Some of it isn't wrestling jj or judo however and its easy to see (especially to me as our arts have large similarities) that all they have done is advanced some of the already existant takedowns and applied them more realistically

It was mostly Judo and it had some wrestling in it. Im sure those very same takedowns have been in Hwarangdo for a long time, but Judo and wrestling just specialize in them thats all.

How have they advanced some of the already existent takedowns?

And how have they applied them more realistically?

medic06 · 02-17-2007, 10:45 AM

It's foolish the think that any one art has the monopoly on any technique (especially grappling). I've seen the techniques demonstrated in at least 10 different grappling arts.

7r14ngL3Ch0k3 · 02-17-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by medic06

It's foolish the think that any one art has the monopoly on any technique (especially grappling). I've seen the techniques demonstrated in at least 10 different grappling arts.

thats why i said "Im sure those very same takedowns have been in Hwarangdo for a long time". But obviously some arts emphasize certain techniques therefore they do them correctly and improve upon them.

Tom Yum · 02-17-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

thats why i said "Im sure those very same takedowns have been in Hwarangdo for a long time". But obviously some arts emphasize certain techniques therefore they do them correctly and improve upon them.

Good point, numbers.

medic06 · 02-18-2007, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 7r14ngL3Ch0k3

It was mostly Judo and it had some wrestling in it. Im sure those very same takedowns have been in Hwarangdo for a long time, but Judo and wrestling just specialize in them thats all.

How have they advanced some of the already existent takedowns?

And how have they applied them more realistically?

They can't wrestle better than wrestlers, or play Judo better than Judoka. That's pretty much a given since they attempt to train in all ranges of combat. Hwa Rang Do is meant to be a comprehensive system with the idea that the whole is greater than the sum. It's a weakness of the system as well as the strength.

Tom Yum · 02-18-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by medic06

They can't wrestle better than wrestlers, or play Judo better than Judoka. That's pretty much a given since they attempt to train in all ranges of combat. Hwa Rang Do is meant to be a comprehensive system with the idea that the whole is greater than the sum. It's a weakness of the system as well as the strength.

The idea is also to use their strength in one area over their opponents weakness in another, since combat isn't limited to one range.

I believe the advanced ranks in the Tukong system do pistol work at firing ranges too, which goes above and beyond the scope of "traditional martial arts."

They probably aren't sharp shooters, but they could probably meet minimal qualifications.

medic06 · 02-19-2007, 08:17 AM

Exactly . . . . . .

Tom Yum · 02-28-2007, 12:24 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGKEpMEwSYc

**Thai Bri** · 02-28-2007, 04:21 AM

Those were truly appaling.

medic06 · 02-28-2007, 08:34 AM

Ah, some of them were OK, but quite a few seem a little too complicated

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Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,218	Hwarang Do Demonstration Part 1 - Traditional Weapons Forms, Joint Locking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDYicU1kjO4 One of my critiques is that alot of the traditional empty-hand work is too fancy. People don't normally attack you with flying kicks; the joint locks are fine. Part 2 - Weapon sparring sets, Finishing holds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19waJy5-bG4 Appreciated the two man staff sparring form and the finishing moves. Unfortunately, you have to be a more advanced student before they will teach you alot of the finishing holds - I think the reason is that by then, you will have a greater understanding that these moves are for self-defense. __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it. Last edited by Tom Yum; 02-17-2007 at 12:07 AM.

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Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,218	Hwarang Do short stick tactics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3V8iYiV4vQ __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

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Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,218	Hwarang do Gun disarms http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGKEpMEwSYc __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

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medic06 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,028	It's foolish the think that any one art has the monopoly on any technique (especially grappling). I've seen the techniques demonstrated in at least 10 different grappling arts.

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