blue quekster

hi.. i would like to find out whether can a fist punch with no power from a taekwondo blackbelt caused a 15 year old guy's forehead bone fracture???

Ghost

id be suprised if mike tyson could fracture a forehead

blue quekster

but doctor had proven that boy's forehead had been fracture.. will it be possible that actually his forehead had been seriously injury before and had went through certain type of pastic surgery, that is the main reason of causing that boy's forehead from fracture when the taekwondo blackbelt inccidently punched onto it?

Ghost

quite likely an old injury re-broken,the forehead itself wont break from punching it. unless of course its already weak, the skull is incredibly strong, a hand would simply break long before the forehead would.

ive seen peoples forearm bone smash through the skin from hitting people on the forehead, in thai boxing we use it as a defence in this manner sometimes, lowering the forehead to make the punch hit that, thereby breaking the hand or arm.

No one in their right mind would target the forehead with a punch.

blue quekster

in this case, if this boy's parent insist to sue the taekwondo blackbelt to court, is there any way or suggestion for the blackbelt to overcome the situation?

this question i believe is very important to all of us who practising in martial arts, because we understand that injuries to us is very common and unpredictable, but to those who doesn't practise in any marital arts might have totally different concept from us.. and sometimes it's quite difficult for them to accept and understand the whole situation especially after the inccidently happened during sparring or training.

GranFire

There is really no way to know exactly. Not enough to come to a conclusive solution on an internet forum.

Even though the skull is a rather thin bone, the shape makes it very strong. usually you get a concussion before something breaks. I believe to break the skull you have to exsert force needed to break 3-4 inches of pine boards, 1x12s, 11 or 12 inches in dimention. And that takes a lot of power, concentration and intend! So I don't believe that a weak punch can fracture the skull.

(are we even talking skull or some of the other parts of the head, like sinus cavities...)

I would think that there might have been a pre-existing condition. And either the parents knew (shame on them) or the kid was hiding something (like getting stupid with a skate board )

But in all honesty, you can't really come to a conclusion on less then half the facts.

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blue quekster

hmm..i was wondering whether did this kid had actually practising kick boxing, because according to this taekwondo blackbelt told me that during that last sparring, this kid was using kick boxing's style with a very smooth moves to do his punching..

in this case, can it be part of the possibililties that this kid's forehead had been injuried earlier due to practising kick boxing with improper type of training method?

Ghost

its unlikely its as a result of martial arts, the forehead is too strong, i would expect some form of other accident has weakened the area prior to this, meaning it was easy for it to break.
you cant break a forehead with a hand becasue the forehead is infinitely stronger. any hand will break before a forehead will. unless the forehead is for some reason already weakened.

eXcessiveForce

I'd say there is some underlying problem with the bone if this did happen.

A knee, elbow or kick, sure... but it shouldn't happen with a hand.

But I would not say it's impossible. Just very very unlikely.

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Ghost

even then id say probably only an elbow would actually cause a breakage and then only at the side, not at the front.

i think this is done now, we all agree the guy had some underlying issue.

Hardball

I know tae kwon do white belts who can break legitimate boards with their fist and tae kwon do black belts who can break bricks with their fist. Of course this is all bare knuckle. I'm sure your scenario involved sparring gloves.

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Ghost

bricks and boards break easily. you only have to drop a brick on the floor and they break

Hardball

I'm not talking about McDojang bricks. LOL

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eXcessiveForce

Bricks are easier than boards, when you start talking multiples. The weight of the bricks will help to break the rest.

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Ghost

alright mate, whatever you think.