Mike Brewer

You're right. Plenty of people can. No one will, though.

I searched YouTube for Tae Kwon Do forms and found thousands of examples. THOUSANDS. I find it pitiful that all these people with actual taekwondo backgrounds won't bother to post something to help a fellow student out. I don't understand the reluctance at all. Whenever people in the kali, JKD, Thai boxing, MMA, and other sections ask for examples of something, they get them in abundance. Maybe it's traditionalism and insecurity at work here, or maybe it's just a fear that if someone posts something they think is good, someone else will tell them it isn't and they'll look like an idiot.

Whatever the reason, I think it's absolutely pitiful that those who have the knowledge here won't help a fellow student.

matbla

you got that right i do not understand that
some one here would not help a fellow student it is a shame

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GranFire

Minus the General, it is right up there to what I am thinking. I am part time instructor, mostly kids and it is incredible hard to undo something that has been practiced - not wrong but different. Not knowing the OPs affiliation I dare not pull up any video clips. And even if they are what he is learning, some instructors are very particular on how they are executed. As much ego and politics is involved, it's a thin ice I don't care to tread on. But I don't hold it against the OP who is trying to soak up as much as he can about his new found passion.

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back kick

http://www.mackenzie-taekwondo.com/patterns.htm

Hey Matt Try this link it should take you to a site with all your patterns ... But be careful learning stuff from vid. clips like these, they may have you doing things your instructor may not like ... I showed my head instructor these clips and he was not impressed at all ... Hope they work out for you.

back kick

Mike no one said they would not help him I posted earlier that I would give him a link when I got home from work and have done so ... The only point we are making is it depends on his club and he may pick up bad habits watching these clips ... I know I did when I found the site and then it takes time and training to get rid of them ... Hope that link works for you Matt ...

Mike Brewer

So let me make this easier.

Matt, can you post your school's website again so people can see what type of tae kwon do you do? That way everyone would know what to recommend and the excuses could stop.

Back kick, forgive the frustration on my part if you can. Part of it stems from this armchair generalship I see in Tae Kwon Do. Everyone has their own way of doing it and everyone else's way of doing it is shit. You posted a link for Matt to review, and having seen what you posted your own instructor thought it was unimpressive? That makes me wonder why you'd choose something like that to post! "Here, Matt, my instructor thinks this is crap. Hope it helps!"

I find that kind of thing infuriating and selfish in the extreme. The only thing more absurd is that someone might be afraid to tread the thin ice of politics in tae kwon do because someone else might come looking for him (What do you do? Look up "Gran Fire" in the phone book?) for posting his own opinion. This is a forum, and it's supposed to be about sharing information and opinions. Opinions, gentlemen, are welcomed! No one here would ever boot you from an organization for stating an opinion. And if Matt can't learn what he wants to learn from the so-called seniors and more experienced people in his art, who the hell is he supposed to go to? Is he limited purely to his instructor? No sharing outside that?

If so, I'm damned glad I never got involved with such a group.

back kick

OK first of all Mike I posted that I have never found any GOOD vid. clips of patterns on the net and you say no one is willing to try and help this guy and then I post a site with clips but tell him that they not that good and so you say I am posting crap ???? You are not a TKD guy so why don't you crawl back under what ever rock you came from and leave it alone ... We have said more then once that it is not a good idea to try and learn from these style of vid. clips every one teaches a little different and his instructor may not like what he learns from something like this ... You seem to like to start shit and I don't understand why ??? I never put down anyones teachings or style ... I am trying to help him by telling him to listen and learn in class not off the net ...

Mike Brewer

I gotcha. I'm not trying to start anything, back kick. I'm just curious as to why it is that the most prolific martial art on the planet has nothing available in terms of video. Meanwhile, I can find obscure material on iron penis training if I look for it, but the martial art that's an Olympic sport and has millions of black-belt level practitioners worldwide? No good video there...

My critique of your post was that you said, in effect, "Here Matt. This is some video my instructor thought was crap. Hope it helps."

Matt has been doing tae kwon do for a long time now, and he asked for supplemental material that might help him out. You can see by his signature line that he's ben in the same belt rank for over a year. It might be that he feels a little additional out-of-class material might be of some benefit to him. Further (Brace yourself. This may be a tremendous shock) you are reading this on an internet forum based on martial arts. That means it's a place outside our regular classes where people share ideas on training and such. If you have a problem with that, why are you here? It's the entire purpose of this site! Like I said, in every other area, if someone asks for help, they get it. Here, when someone asks for help, they get people who are so worried about organizational politics that they don't even have the cajones to post a YouTube video under a false name! Isn't there something in those tenets of yours that talks about integrity and indomitable spirit? Since when are those things compromised by "organizational politics?"

I can see why you'd be offended at my replies to you, but with all due respect, I just don't care. I am offended that you'd presume to preach to a guy who was just looking for some honest help about how he ought to go about pursuing the martial art he's chosen. I don't understand why you tae kwon do people have decided that it's better not only to insult literally every person who's put material on video on the web (there are no good vids out there, right? So everyone who has vids out there must suck?), nor why you'd be so reluctant to offer up something constructive. The bland assertion that it's not a good idea to learn from videos is a load of upchuck. He's not learning from videos, back kick. He's learning in class and supplementing class time with videos. There's a huge, mammoth difference in the two.

So what we're left with is a mound of bullshit so high it's hard to see over the top. I found thousands of results for videos on Tae Kwon Do forms online. Thousands of them. In your post, you're claiming that none of them are any good? So you and your school do things that much better than anyone else out there, huh? Pardon me, but that just reeks of dim mak death touch nonsense. "We have the way, and it's a lot better than any of these thousands of example you have available. But I'm not going to tell you anything about that. These vids are unimpressive at best. Good luck." What a bunch of shit!

Matt, buddy, it was a good run. You asked an honest question and you wanted honest feedback. I'm sorry all you got was a bunch of guys telling you there's no help for you anywhere. Apparently, while Integrity and Indomitable Spirit were being destroyed by Organizational Ego and Politics, Courtesy and Self-Control got neglected as well.

If you find any good videos, please post them here. If not, tell me what school you go to and I'll look some up for you. Keep posting good questions like this. If you run into more of the same here, go ask around the JKD forum and the MMA forum. Lots of those guys have tae kwon do backgrounds and they'd probably be a lot more willing to help. Apparently, people in your own system are reluctant because they know what's best for you, and they know it better than you do.

matbla

thank you!!!

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matbla

good replys here

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Ghost

lol, this will be one of those things where every instructor thinks any video by another instructor is crap unless they have trained with them personally. Reminds me of when i did karate.

I think all this, "thats not how we do it" is a bit daft.
If everyone does it differently then it doesnt really exist does it. i mean thats just common sense.

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GranFire

I is it was as easy as to just what the instructor thinks.

is it Poomse or Hyong....is it ITA WTF ATA ITF or something we have yet to hear about....the Dan Gun I learned coming up through the ranks is very much different from the on I am teaching now and looked nothing like the on Mike found, and I am not talking execution. Unless you are an advanced student, watching forms that are not your own is IMHO rather confusing...

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matbla

i thank you should look at last video

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GranFire

Well, I don't have the Quick Time player on this computer....

The description reads similar to my old form, of course terminology throws me off a bit as well. hard to believe it all goes by the same name....

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Liberty

About a year ago, I ran accross some footage of Jhoon Rhee doing this very form. His stances were way wider. His executions are flawless and he is of the Choi school (their particular forms). I'll see if I can track it down.

It's kind of ironic, if I remember correctly, one of the opening moves in Choi's Tae Kwon Do forms symbolize peace. Here we have a martial brother seeking our help, and yet all some, who supposedly practice Choi version forms, all they can do is criticize or make excuses for not helping one of their own. Not very admirable.

Mike, for what it's worth, I want to thank you for how consistently you come through in these types of things for others you don't even know.