Taekwondo & Self Defense

Huntley · 03-29-2008, 11:55 PM

I have been told by a couple of people in TKD there are certain guidelines in self defense, since we have a mix batch of tkd'ers on this forum I would like to know your definition of TKD self defense. Mine would be let it all out and try to hurt the person so severly they would end up in the hospital wishing they where dead. I'am interested in the sport aspect people views on self defense since they really train on timing and movement to win there matches what is your training like for self defense and your philosophies appoach to it. I'm just curious and I'm looking for genuine answers not really trying to start up a controversy over sport versus tradition.

jubaji · 03-30-2008, 03:35 AM

Just to stir the pot as much as possible:

I've met more 'black belts' in TKD who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag than from any other discipline.

Huntley · 03-30-2008, 05:34 AM

....and I think that statement is BS. I see more MMA - BJJ wanna-be's around than any other "sport" out there....cuz that's what those two are - just sports, no real SD involved in rolling around with another man. At least TMA's are effective on the street, when taught correctly.

But hey, you ain't me and I ain't you. Just how could the SD in TKD be improved - or are you just going to take cheap online shots like a keyboard warrior, I know I don't like taking shots, nothing is learned.

Michael Wright · 03-30-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Huntley

....and I see more MMA - BJJ wanna-be's around than any other "sport" out there....cuz that's what those two are - just sports, no real SD involved in rolling around with another man. At least TMA's are effective on the street, when taught correctly.

memo to you - Tae Kwon Do is a sport, an Olympic sport, the national sport of Korea. So a pretty odd argument.

I studied TKD for years and its great fun, but it meant jack shit to my Self Protection. I would also bet my house on an MMA or BJJ guy wiping the floor with a TKD blackbelt, rules or no rules, "street" or mat.

These are my opinions, just like jubaji's. Don't start a debate then get all pissy just because you don't like the response.

Huntley · 03-30-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Wright

memo to you - Tae Kwon Do is a sport, an Olympic sport, the national sport of Korea. So a pretty odd argument.

I studied TKD for years and its great fun, but it meant jack shit to my Self Protection. I would also bet my house on an MMA or BJJ guy wiping the floor with a TKD blackbelt, rules or no rules, "street" or mat.

These are my opinions, just like jubaji's. Don't start a debate then get all pissy just because you don't like the response.

First, No, I do not study Olympic TKD - Traditional all the way, that would be Hwa Rang Taekwondo non-sport. Now I did not start a debate on if TKD is good for SD, I know from my bouncing experiance that it is.

You may want to re-read the original post and answer the question - how could it be improved.

By the way all you need to do to stop a BJJ guy is slap them in the throat, groin or solar plexus....can't breath, can't fight.

I will become pissy when someone is running down my art - without question. See my sig, look me up - I'll meet anyone on the street - call me.

Michael Wright · 03-30-2008, 09:06 AM

oh brother, another guy who watched Roadhouse too many times. Take it elsewhere mate, we've heard it a million times before.

Ghost · 03-30-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Huntley

First, No, I do not study Olympic TKD - Traditional all the way, that would be Hwa Rang Taekwondo non-sport. Now I did not start a debate on if TKD is good for SD, I know from my bouncing experiance that it is.

You may want to re-read the original post and answer the question - how could it be improved.

By the way all you need to do to stop a BJJ guy is slap them in the throat, groin or solar plexus....can't breath, can't fight.

I will become pissy when someone is running down my art - without question. See my sig, look me up - I'll meet anyone on the street - call me.

yeah lol thats all you need to do...

LMAO

you think they arent aware of moves like that? like thats some great mystery no one in BJJ ever thought of.
and what would you do if they got you on the ground.

ill give you a clue

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

eXcessiveForce · 03-30-2008, 10:03 AM

I will say that my TKD has added a lot of dimension to my standup. In fact the JKD people if worked with have found the value of my kicking. Some have complained that I can shut down the boxing and trapping range with kicks simply by making it dangerous to enter and dishing out punishment every time the move in. TKD as a system isn't the problem, it's how it is being taught.

Now I would also raise questions about the idea of a slap to the groin, or throat stopping someone, I've been punched in the throat and kicked in the groin and continued to fight. Without being able to breathe you still have 20-30 seconds to do damage.

As for blackbelts who can't fight, I've seen them in every system. It would make sense that TKD would have more since there are more people that practice TKD. Also the idea of what a blackbelt represents also varies a lot between systems. In TKD generally it means master of basics, Your real training doesn't even begin until blackbelt.

GranFire · 03-30-2008, 10:38 AM

hehehehe, guy discussion...

K as female chiming in...you don't want to get into the BJJ prime position...
defend till you get your opening and run...of course, doing A LOT of damage aids greatly in that goal.

Thankfully I have not been in that situation - knock on wood - and won't ever be. But my style (non olympic, part way traditional) also has taught me a good set of SD techniques like pressure points etc...

The mind set and physical fitness is probably the greatest asset you gain training in MA. of course, I can imagine as a guy sporting a Black belt I makes you a target for any yahoo wanting to proof how tough they are...us girls usually get the 'oh you can beat up your husband' line...

jubaji · 03-30-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntley

....and I think that statement is BS. I see more MMA - BJJ wanna-be's around than any other "sport" out there....cuz that's what those two are - just sports, no real SD involved in rolling around with another man. At least TMA's are effective on the street, when taught correctly. .

Here's an important difference: I reckon that ALL the MMA folks you have seen have been in actual fights, but that is not the case with most TMA folks. So your statement makes no sense and the "rolling around with another man" bit is just about the clearest signal that someone:

A) doesn't know what he's talking about

B) has some issues with his sexuality

jubaji · 03-30-2008, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huntley

By the way all you need to do to stop a BJJ guy is slap them in the throat, groin or solar plexus....can't breath, can't fight.

LOL! Well, that's that then!

Ghost · 03-30-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jubaji

LOL! Well, that's that then!

Dim Mak is real bitch.

GranFire · 03-30-2008, 02:01 PM

well, it can actually kill a person...hit it in the right spot and hard enough (and it takes surprisingly little force I have been told)

on the same token, assuming one has 20-30 seconds after...I venture an educated guess that only holds true for trained individuals...or strung out on meth...in that case, I am affraid they keep fighting after death...

jubaji · 03-30-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost

Dim Mak is real bitch.

You've got the whole 'Fist of the North Star' series on DVD, don't you?

Tom Yum · 03-30-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntley

By the way all you need to do to stop a BJJ guy is slap them in the throat, groin or solar plexus....can't breath, can't fight.

Sure, but you better be able to avoid getting taken down and have some good escapes from submission holds too.

03-29-2008, 11:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
Huntley Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Snohomish, WA USA Posts: 51	Taekwondo & Self Defense I have been told by a couple of people in TKD there are certain guidelines in self defense, since we have a mix batch of tkd'ers on this forum I would like to know your definition of TKD self defense. Mine would be let it all out and try to hurt the person so severly they would end up in the hospital wishing they where dead. I'am interested in the sport aspect people views on self defense since they really train on timing and movement to win there matches what is your training like for self defense and your philosophies appoach to it. I'm just curious and I'm looking for genuine answers not really trying to start up a controversy over sport versus tradition. __________________ Master Adam D. Huntley Snohomish Taekwondo www.SnoTKD.com Hwa-Rang Taekwondo www.HTFtaekwondo.com Member BHMA - Brotherhood of Martial Artists www.brotherhoodofmartialartists.com

03-30-2008, 03:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
jubaji Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: koko Posts: 8,110	Just to stir the pot as much as possible: I've met more 'black belts' in TKD who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag than from any other discipline. __________________ Optional signature you may use to appear at bottom of your posts.

03-30-2008, 05:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
Huntley Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Snohomish, WA USA Posts: 51	....and I think that statement is BS. I see more MMA - BJJ wanna-be's around than any other "sport" out there....cuz that's what those two are - just sports, no real SD involved in rolling around with another man. At least TMA's are effective on the street, when taught correctly. But hey, you ain't me and I ain't you. Just how could the SD in TKD be improved - or are you just going to take cheap online shots like a keyboard warrior, I know I don't like taking shots, nothing is learned. __________________ Master Adam D. Huntley Snohomish Taekwondo www.SnoTKD.com Hwa-Rang Taekwondo www.HTFtaekwondo.com Member BHMA - Brotherhood of Martial Artists www.brotherhoodofmartialartists.com

03-30-2008, 10:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,587	I will say that my TKD has added a lot of dimension to my standup. In fact the JKD people if worked with have found the value of my kicking. Some have complained that I can shut down the boxing and trapping range with kicks simply by making it dangerous to enter and dishing out punishment every time the move in. TKD as a system isn't the problem, it's how it is being taught. Now I would also raise questions about the idea of a slap to the groin, or throat stopping someone, I've been punched in the throat and kicked in the groin and continued to fight. Without being able to breathe you still have 20-30 seconds to do damage. As for blackbelts who can't fight, I've seen them in every system. It would make sense that TKD would have more since there are more people that practice TKD. Also the idea of what a blackbelt represents also varies a lot between systems. In TKD generally it means master of basics, Your real training doesn't even begin until blackbelt. __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

03-30-2008, 10:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
GranFire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South East Posts: 586	hehehehe, guy discussion... K as female chiming in...you don't want to get into the BJJ prime position... defend till you get your opening and run...of course, doing A LOT of damage aids greatly in that goal. Thankfully I have not been in that situation - knock on wood - and won't ever be. But my style (non olympic, part way traditional) also has taught me a good set of SD techniques like pressure points etc... The mind set and physical fitness is probably the greatest asset you gain training in MA. of course, I can imagine as a guy sporting a Black belt I makes you a target for any yahoo wanting to proof how tough they are...us girls usually get the 'oh you can beat up your husband' line... __________________ Banner by www.fiveancestors.com http://itatigerforum.proboards103.com/ It's not the size of the dog in the fight - it's the size of the fight in the dog

03-30-2008, 09:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
Michael Wright Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 767	oh brother, another guy who watched Roadhouse too many times. Take it elsewhere mate, we've heard it a million times before.

03-30-2008, 02:01 PM	#13 (permalink)
GranFire Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South East Posts: 586	re slap in the throat well, it can actually kill a person...hit it in the right spot and hard enough (and it takes surprisingly little force I have been told) on the same token, assuming one has 20-30 seconds after...I venture an educated guess that only holds true for trained individuals...or strung out on meth...in that case, I am affraid they keep fighting after death... __________________ Banner by www.fiveancestors.com http://itatigerforum.proboards103.com/ It's not the size of the dog in the fight - it's the size of the fight in the dog

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