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over the past 20 years I have mainly been working on kicking, and how kicking has evolved

unfortunantly I think that kicking in TKD has degraded and is now days pretty damn useless


but what are your opinions

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eXcessiveForce

Depends on how you learned to kick. if all you know how to do is throw rear leg kicks and and don't know how to change the angles of the kicks or how to string them with your other stand up then I'd agree.


If you learn to throw them so that they all look the same until the most possible moment, you very angles and height, and know the differences between the different types of force you can deliver with the kick then i'd disagree.

I personally have used them to great effect.

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Movement

but from the more modern systems of TKD particularly the ones claiming to be authentic, they tend to forget the basic fundamentals behind the basis of kicking. every kick i have ever seen from any style i have ever seen should be running on these principals, and if you have a look at old martial arts training/sparing videos they do, but during the 90's you can see a global de-evolution of kicking especially in TKD

wtf tkd kicking is a joke seriously it is and i have a black belt in it. itf isn't far behind

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eXcessiveForce

I have found that the ATA had the best kicking basics in the early 80's. Which is what I modeled my kicking system on. I have made quite a few improvements of the years.

The problem is that over time much of the skill in kick instruction has been degraded.

Many TKD schools have moved to incorporate Muay Thai kicking along with other systems, which in and of itself isn't bad, but you have to understand the differences and how they are used differently.

Taekwondo quality of instruction has been declining for a long time. I no longer feel comfortable giving recommendations for schools when people ask. The problem is I just can't count on quality even if the instructor used to put out quality because a lot of times they have changed and not for the better.

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Hardball

Kick cold, kick low, kick hard, both front leg and rear leg. It's simple.

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eXcessiveForce

not that simple, hardball. It is thinking that it is that simple that is hampering the use of kicking to effect.

But it is a good place to start from, except for the kick low part.

If you hit an open target it doesn't matter where it is.

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Hardball

For street kicking I teach my students to stretch 20 minutes a day, keep the kicks around torso level or lower and if it's ugly then it probably works. Pretty and flashy probably does not work. Bruce Lee had it right when he said " a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick"

Tournament and MMA kicking is a horse of a different color which I am not qualified to speak on. I'll be 52 next week thus I'm definately kicking low. LOL

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eXcessiveForce

Don't have to be pretty or flashy this is true, but you can end a fight with a kick to the head, and since people now believe it's impossible to hit people in the head in a streetfight it appear to be getting easier and easier to hit people with kicks to the head.

A properly executed kick sometimes isn't even seen by the person it hits.

While the opportunities to throw them are very specific, if you have the skill they are worth it.

I have a head kick I like to throw from inside trapping range. No one ever sees it coming, and they almost always get blasted with it.

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eXcessiveForce

Stretching is a good idea,

But I kicked a guy who is 6'3" in the head, cold. He never saw the kick because he was too worried about my hands.

Not saying it's always appropriate, but for every hard fast rule people throw out, I believe there is an opportunity to capitalize by not following it.

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Hardball

Kicking to the head is an awesome skill to have, unfortunately I have never been able to do it--even in my youth.

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eXcessiveForce

Yeah I started young. It also is great for me because i'm not 6 foot tall so it lets me level things up pretty good.

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Hardball

Do you prefer the instep, shin or ball?

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Movement

me i like shin or ball, but it really does depend on what i'm wearing easy example been that if i have heavy boots aka steel caps on i'm gonna kick with my toes rather shatter bones then bruise them


kicking is probably one of the harder things to learn well in martial arts

you have to remember speed balance,control, rotational force in correlation with your step, body position, hip position, target area kinda hard to write down and hard to teach, but deffinantly worth taking the time to learn as good kicks only add to your arsenal

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Hardball

Yea it can take months to be a good kicker and years to be a great kicker. Definately a "Must Have" for any self defense arsenal. I learned by holding on to a chair for balance.

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eXcessiveForce

I use all three depending on the target, but shin, and ball are preferable. I also use the blade of the foot and the heal

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