fullcircle

I think that's possible in some instances. One of the major problems w/TKD schools is that every flippin school is completely different! Whether they say ITF WTF whatever the f*ckTF, every school seems to have it's own agenda, and for alot of them the agenda is money. I think they should wipe the slate clean and go back to tradition, then it could be corrupted in a whole new way!

platinum_angel

like i have said before if you change tkd it is not tkd anymore

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fullcircle

How many ma's have changed over the centuries? Should we rename all of them? TKD is TKD, if it's incorportated with other styles it becomes a part of the totality doesn't it? On it's own it's still TKD. You study JKD, you should know this. A Wing Chun technique used in JKD is still a Wing Chun technique.

Thai Bri

But this version of TKD isn't changing over the centuries. It is copying techniques from other styles in order that its own inadequacies are covered.

And I wouldn't mind betting that it copies those styles badly.

fullcircle

For one, how does a style copy another style badly? Just because it has TKD attached to it we are to assume that the instructors don't know what they're doing? That's ignorance. The instructor may or may not know what he's doing, I don't know, but I'm not going to stereotype them because it's a TKD thread. Whether they're copying another style badly or not comes down to the individual. JKD was invented by copying techniques from other styles, so what? Name a style that doesn't "borrow" techniques from other styles.

platinum_angel

lol

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doubleouch

You can take effective techniques from as many styles as you want and add them to tkd and you still have useless junk unless you change your training methods. Techniques without alive training methods are useless. Doesn't matter what techniques. TKD has some great techniques, they just don't train them well. What TKD needs is modern effective training methods. If you do that you can fix the art. Of course I wonder why try to fix a broken art when there are some great arts out there that require no fixing at all.

eXcessiveForce

Wow, lots of posts on this.

When we added ground fighting they sent the masters down to brazil to train with the gracies. Many trained for quite some time. Many are very good but not all. Some have no desire to learn it.

Right now they are working with Mike Swain on adding some judo. In 1984 we had some ground fighting and Judo but it was not very well integrated and mostly it was not very effective but not many styles were doing ground work. They started working with gracies to improve the ground skills we have.
They also send masters to different systems to learn them so that if they find something they like they can make changes to our curriculum.

Actually one of my instructors that teaches under me is a JKD instructor. and has grappling under mike griffen I believe is his name, He was worked with Terry Gibson before his death.
We are working to make our entire school more ALIVE.

In fact I was just asking Matt Thornton on some tips to make integration for the entire school a little easier. Until now it has just been the high ranks working on Alive stuff.


Got to run. I have a couple classes to teach.

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Damian Mavis

People have to start realising that TKD is not the same WORLDWIDE. The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach. Like a few people mentioned, it has to do with HOW you train, yes many TKD/Karate/KungFu schools train unrealisticly but there are plenty that take street defence seriously and train accordingly.

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brokenelbow

Uhhh Damian?

doubleouch

Force,
Terry Gibson used to train TKD in Missouri before he went to JKD. Third Dan I believe. He trained Mu Sul Kwan with the guy from cape gerardo that I mentioned in another post. I met Terry there years ago when I went to a Mu Sul Kwan conference in Cape Gerardo. He had some good ideas about updating TKD. Too bad he isn't still around. Great guy.

Damian Mavis

Damnit... it made sense when it was running through my head.

heh

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osopardo

I first became involved with TKD when I enrolled my then 6-year-old son in a TKD after-school program offered right at the school.
My wife was concerned so she went and watched a few classes.
She reports back, "I guess it's ok, they mostly do calisthenics, you know, push-ups and sit-ups and that kind of thing."

Two months later the kid comes home with a note inviting us to a special ceremony at the studio (not the school).

We went and our kid is awarded a yellow belt. Imagine his surprise and delight. The invoice came in the mail.

I relate this story to a colleague at work who just happens to be a TKD instructor and he laughs and says, "That's wonderful, at his age, I bet you had to learn the poomses and the terminology and all the rest yourself to help him pass his test."

me: "Test? what test?'

him "Didn't he have to take a test? learn a form? Kicho? Break a board? learn to count to ten in Korean? Spar?"

me: "Huh?!? No, none of that"

The happy ending is that we hooked up with an honest instructor (my work colleague) who required performance and effort and learning and does it after hours as his avocation, not his job. We have never been charged for any test and the requiremments for each test are very demanding. Even if you fail, you feel you accomplished something just going through it.

The bottom line is that you have to shop around sometimes to find the right school or right instructor.

And I don't care what anybody says, traditional, old school TKD can be a brutal, effective form of violence.

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brokenelbow

LOL, I understand Damian. And I'm sorry but I just have to use it as my sig.

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eXcessiveForce

yeah that is classic

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