falcon3624

Well after my Aikido instructor moved I decided to take Hapkido because I heard alot of the joint locks and stuff were similar. What I mean by them being less refined is seemed like it was something that was seen and not actually studied.

I don't know if you have ever done things from a certain art with a person that never actually did it but had seen it demonstrated alot of times or not but that is what it was kinda like. I mean they knew the moves they just did not commit to them enough to have the amount of perfection that was actually meant to be demonstrated with the techniques.

The techniques are good just could be a little more refined to be a little more effective. Overall though I think Hapkido is the best all around Korean martial art because it is more in depth with different areas of a confrontation. Seems a little more realistic than TKD and TSD. Actually I have a couple buddies that do TSD that I have been trying to convince into coming to my BJJ class but they refuse so I tried to tell them they should take something a little more effective like Hapkido.

Kosh

I recently got my black belt in Hapkido and to do so had to perform something like 120 moves and know more like 180 and i see all these moves as being effective as they could be (apart from my own imperfections ofcourse).

Maybe your teacher lacked the personal refinement you were looking for. There are a great many teachers in Hapkido who gain a blackbelt (which doesnt take too long in Hapkido) and then begin teaching...this is compounded by the Hapkido Federation being moslty confined to Korea, so there is nothing stopping an underqualified master from teaching (or in some cases claiming to be Grand Masters!).

Im not saying that you teacher was underqualified, just that they might have been.

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brokenelbow

I think that's a part of it Richard. Hapkido is very technique based where Aiki-jutsu arts are more principle based. You can learn every throw and lock in Aikido but still not understand the art. That's not to say that Hapkido isn't a good art, it is, it's just not really an Aiki-jutsu art.

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falcon3624

I am not saying that Hapkido is not a good art. Most of the things I saw in there were effective it's just that they were not mastered to the level that they are in Aikido and Aiki-jiu-jitsu. That's all I am trying to say.

Kosh

Who's Richard?

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falcon3624

Got me lol. I think he is just assigning names for everyone.

IPON

Falcon - I understand what you mean about the mystery of whether Choi actually studied with Takeda since niether his korean or japanese name was listed in the school records. I definately think that if he did study it was private between him and takeda. The other story I undersatnd is that Choi watched all the classes and practiced on his own. Helio Gracie said the same thing. I don't know but I sure as hell couldn't learn an art by watching especially if I had to make sure I was not seen.

Choi was basically a manservant for Takeda so even with the racism of the japanese (towards any no japanese especially Koreans) It is possible that they could have bonded and Takeda showed him the style and said keep it to yourself. But after Tekada died there was no reason to be secretive. That's just my opinion I really don't have facts of course.

Regarding Yu Sool (which I think is Korean for Jujitsu) don't quote me on this , but I don't think Choi studied Yu Sool I think that his first dojang he called the art Yu Sool, actually quote me I remember this from an article, the sign above the Dojang was Yu Sool. Then Choi went back to the korean arts and combined his knowlege of Daito Ryu with Tae Kyon (definately don't quote me on that one I really don't remember the korean art)

Hapkido doesn't have ground fiighting but I guess it depends on what your instructor trainined in, the Hapkido instructors I have seen have training in TKD or Judo or JJJ. I went to a Aikido dojo once and after I told the instructor I studied Hapkido he said "so why study Aikido its the same thing" but it not, in my opinion...maybe I askeed too many questions.

Interestingly, I was told that Hapkido is translated as Aikido in Japanese. Does anyone know if that is true?? If so, I wonder why that name was chosen by Choi.

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brokenelbow

Kosh = Richard, Falcon = Chuck, Me = thought your sig was your name.

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Kosh

Where did you get Richard from?

Ive done some ground base Hapkido and it was mostly how to get of the ground...usually while taking someone else down. Hapkido covers anti-strangling moves too. but it tends to work under the general guideline of 'if youre on the floor, get up'. You cant ground fight more than one person at a time.

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Kosh

Also i dont know much about aiki jiu jitsu, but i thought it assumed that the other person comitted fully to every attack then deals with them with circular movements. if a person jabs or kicks or whatever then the techniques fall short, since the other person gives you nothing to use against them.

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Kosh

Ah my quote. No thats from a book about evolution, by Richard Dawkins called "Climbing Mount Improbable" and is well worth a read.

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brokenelbow

I've seen that too, but I think that's tree hugger Aikido. I know Aikidoka that make things happen using irimi and atemi, your choice is to commit or they're going to try to beat the crap out of you using atemi and lock you anyway. I don't see any reason why a jab would give Aikidoka trouble, though it does seem to. It may be that they need to train against it more. But if a guy jabs, tenken and ma-ai should work the same way as it does against a more commited attack.

It's not so much the circular movement as using the circular movement to take the others center. It's confusing the movement with the objective. At least that's the objective an Aikidoka friend told me.

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EnlightenedOne

I study Hapkido. I really like it is the sense that it is very much based on selfdefense, opposed to TaeKwonDo another Korean art which is more offense in my opinion

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Tang Soo Do is more well rounded than TKD. They are confused because they are both Korean and emphasize kicking. The Tang Soo Do guys throw alot more punches and hand strikes than TKD when sparring because they don't follow TKD rules. They have self defense techniques that use palm strikes and elbows.

EnlightenedOne

The actual meaning of Hapkido is Way of Coordinated Power

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