Hapkido

Kosh · 10-21-2003, 04:30 PM

Very little is discussed about Hapkido in the section. How many people on the forum do it?

I have met loads of people who practise Taekwondo but have never heard of Hapkido, which is suprising since the kick techniques in Taekwondo are also part of Hapkido...although the simmilarities pretty much end there. In Korea from what i can gather they go hand in hand. Most if no all of the Korean Masters and Grand Masters in Hapkido also have comparable belts in Taekwondo. Im not sure if the reverse is true.

Szczepankiewicz · 10-21-2003, 04:56 PM

Hapkido is simliar to other TMA in the respect that if you get an outstanding instructor you can learn valuable self defense skills. But good instructors of TMA in the US are few and far between. I have no idea what it would be like in England.

Alain Burrese (www.burrese.com) has an excellent Hapkido Hoshinsul video available. He has real world experience and I know first hand that his Hapkido works, and works well.

Beyond dealing with Mr. Burrese, my experience with Hapkido is limited.

Spanky

falcon3624 · 10-21-2003, 10:05 PM

There is a Hapkido school close to my old BJJ school and some of the black belts came down and they were telling us they grappled in Hapkido which I have never heard of. I took Hapkido for a little while and we never rolled. Maybe it is something they started implementing lately but they definately need work at it. Funny thing is I thought they would try to stay standing and they went straight for the ground and then didn't know what to do. Made short work of them anyhow.

Kosh · 10-22-2003, 09:48 AM

Im not looking for justification to start Hapkido, i already do and have a very good teacher.

I just wanted to see if there is a presence here or not...aparently not.

As far as i was aware there are loads of Hapkido teachers in the US. The guy that taught our Grand Master, my master's teacher and father, teaches in America i think. He also taught Jacky Chan.

...oh yeah BTW Hapkido covers everything. If they miss something out (especially roll and falling) they arent doing Hapkido. There are ground techniques too...loads of them. Rolling and falling should be taught right from the beginning. Also Hapkido is about defending yourself not fighting, we tend not to prolong fights, just end them quickly.

Whats TMA?

Szczepankiewicz · 10-22-2003, 09:52 AM

TMA is short for Traditional Martial Arts (i.e. karate, taekwondo, hapkido, kungfu, Japanese Jujutsu and anything else with a looong lineage)

falcon3624 · 10-22-2003, 09:59 AM

Kosh, if you think that a Hapkido person can take a BJJ guy on the ground they surely have you brain washed. This class by us is suppose to be good and two black belts from there came and rolled at our class. They were getting gobbled up by white belts. Hapkido is a pretty good art, like I said I have trained some in it before when I was doing Aikido, but to say that it Hapkido ground fighting is better or as good as BJJ is a tall tale.

Kosh · 10-22-2003, 09:59 AM

Ah thanks.

Im not sure Hapkido fits into that term...although it is old. My perseption of alot of martial arts is that they adhere to very strict traditions. The only tradition in Hapkido is to do everything as efficiently as possible. While we were practising Self Defence Master Kim said 'if it is uncomfortable: its wrong and if they dont hurt: its wrong'.

Hapkido was founded by Grand Master Choi, who died only resently. Hapkido dates back ages but is very modernised in many repects.

Kosh · 10-22-2003, 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by falcon3624
Kosh, if you think that a Hapkido person can take a BJJ guy on the ground they surely have you brain washed. This class by us is suppose to be good and two black belts from there came and rolled at our class. They were getting gobbled up by white belts. Hapkido is a pretty good art, like I said I have trained some in it before when I was doing Aikido, but to say that it Hapkido ground fighting is better or as good as BJJ is a tall tale.

Sorry i wasnt trying to dis anyones art... i dont know much about BJJ. I was just saying that Hapkido should cover everything at some stage.

I dont want to get into "My dragon style is superior to you Tiger style..."arguements.

falcon3624 · 10-22-2003, 10:12 AM

Yea, I know a little about the history of Hapkido. You know I don't think it was every actually proven that Master Choi had martial arts instruction. He was a servant for Sokaku Takeda when he was a boy and spent alot of time watching him do Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu. Sokaku was the instructor of guy by the name of Morihei Ueshiba (better known as the founder of Aikido). It has never been actually proved that Choi was ever a student of Sokaku though.

You cannot deny the relation that Hapkido has to some of the older forms of ju-jitsu though being that it's origins come from Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu.

falcon3624 · 10-22-2003, 10:16 AM

I don't mean to say that he had no training at all though just under Sokaku. I know that he did study Yu Sool (korean word for ju-jitsu I think) when he returned to Korea after Takeda died. He eventuall made a name for a new art and combined some stuff together.

Kosh · 10-22-2003, 12:38 PM

So Hapkido is either very old or very young depending on how you look at it.

falcon3624 · 10-22-2003, 03:42 PM

Actually I would say it was on the old side being that you can tell that Hapkido, Aikido, and Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu have destinct simularities.

brokenelbow · 10-22-2003, 08:24 PM

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You cannot deny the relation that Hapkido has to some of the older forms of ju-jitsu though being that it's origins come from Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu.

I don't buy it. Hapkido doesn't look like Aiki-jutsu. It looks like the locks were learned by watching but not by direct instruction. There's just something missing.

falcon3624 · 10-22-2003, 10:08 PM

Yes there is dispute about whether Choi actually ever studied under Takeda or not. I beleive the same that he only knew the locks he knew from what he had seen from many years of watching. If you look at a lot of the joint manipulations and throws in Hapkido you will find that they are almost identical to Aikido and Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu. The only difference is that I don't beleive the Hapkido techniques are quite as well refined as the originals. That's why I beleive that it was something he picked up from watching all that time.

Kosh · 10-23-2003, 08:08 AM

I cant comment on the other martial arts; since i dont do them, but i dont understand what you mean by less refined. What experience do you have with Hapkido?

10-21-2003, 04:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kosh Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Durham, England Posts: 94	Hapkido Very little is discussed about Hapkido in the section. How many people on the forum do it? I have met loads of people who practise Taekwondo but have never heard of Hapkido, which is suprising since the kick techniques in Taekwondo are also part of Hapkido...although the simmilarities pretty much end there. In Korea from what i can gather they go hand in hand. Most if no all of the Korean Masters and Grand Masters in Hapkido also have comparable belts in Taekwondo. Im not sure if the reverse is true. __________________ "However many ways there may be of being alive, its certain that there are vastly more ways of being dead" Richard Dawkins

10-22-2003, 09:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
Kosh Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Durham, England Posts: 94	Im not looking for justification to start Hapkido, i already do and have a very good teacher. I just wanted to see if there is a presence here or not...aparently not. As far as i was aware there are loads of Hapkido teachers in the US. The guy that taught our Grand Master, my master's teacher and father, teaches in America i think. He also taught Jacky Chan. ...oh yeah BTW Hapkido covers everything. If they miss something out (especially roll and falling) they arent doing Hapkido. There are ground techniques too...loads of them. Rolling and falling should be taught right from the beginning. Also Hapkido is about defending yourself not fighting, we tend not to prolong fights, just end them quickly. Whats TMA? __________________ "However many ways there may be of being alive, its certain that there are vastly more ways of being dead" Richard Dawkins

10-22-2003, 09:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
Kosh Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Durham, England Posts: 94	Ah thanks. Im not sure Hapkido fits into that term...although it is old. My perseption of alot of martial arts is that they adhere to very strict traditions. The only tradition in Hapkido is to do everything as efficiently as possible. While we were practising Self Defence Master Kim said 'if it is uncomfortable: its wrong and if they dont hurt: its wrong'. Hapkido was founded by Grand Master Choi, who died only resently. Hapkido dates back ages but is very modernised in many repects. __________________ "However many ways there may be of being alive, its certain that there are vastly more ways of being dead" Richard Dawkins

10-22-2003, 12:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kosh Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Durham, England Posts: 94	So Hapkido is either very old or very young depending on how you look at it. __________________ "However many ways there may be of being alive, its certain that there are vastly more ways of being dead" Richard Dawkins

10-23-2003, 08:08 AM	#15 (permalink)
Kosh Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Durham, England Posts: 94	I cant comment on the other martial arts; since i dont do them, but i dont understand what you mean by less refined. What experience do you have with Hapkido? __________________ "However many ways there may be of being alive, its certain that there are vastly more ways of being dead" Richard Dawkins

10-21-2003, 04:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	Hapkido is simliar to other TMA in the respect that if you get an outstanding instructor you can learn valuable self defense skills. But good instructors of TMA in the US are few and far between. I have no idea what it would be like in England. Alain Burrese (www.burrese.com) has an excellent Hapkido Hoshinsul video available. He has real world experience and I know first hand that his Hapkido works, and works well. Beyond dealing with Mr. Burrese, my experience with Hapkido is limited. Spanky

10-21-2003, 10:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946	There is a Hapkido school close to my old BJJ school and some of the black belts came down and they were telling us they grappled in Hapkido which I have never heard of. I took Hapkido for a little while and we never rolled. Maybe it is something they started implementing lately but they definately need work at it. Funny thing is I thought they would try to stay standing and they went straight for the ground and then didn't know what to do. Made short work of them anyhow.

10-22-2003, 09:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	TMA is short for Traditional Martial Arts (i.e. karate, taekwondo, hapkido, kungfu, Japanese Jujutsu and anything else with a looong lineage)

10-22-2003, 09:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946	Kosh, if you think that a Hapkido person can take a BJJ guy on the ground they surely have you brain washed. This class by us is suppose to be good and two black belts from there came and rolled at our class. They were getting gobbled up by white belts. Hapkido is a pretty good art, like I said I have trained some in it before when I was doing Aikido, but to say that it Hapkido ground fighting is better or as good as BJJ is a tall tale.

10-22-2003, 10:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946	Yea, I know a little about the history of Hapkido. You know I don't think it was every actually proven that Master Choi had martial arts instruction. He was a servant for Sokaku Takeda when he was a boy and spent alot of time watching him do Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu. Sokaku was the instructor of guy by the name of Morihei Ueshiba (better known as the founder of Aikido). It has never been actually proved that Choi was ever a student of Sokaku though. You cannot deny the relation that Hapkido has to some of the older forms of ju-jitsu though being that it's origins come from Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu.

10-22-2003, 10:16 AM	#10 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946	I don't mean to say that he had no training at all though just under Sokaku. I know that he did study Yu Sool (korean word for ju-jitsu I think) when he returned to Korea after Takeda died. He eventuall made a name for a new art and combined some stuff together.

10-22-2003, 03:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946	Actually I would say it was on the old side being that you can tell that Hapkido, Aikido, and Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu have destinct simularities.

10-22-2003, 10:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
falcon3624 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 946	Yes there is dispute about whether Choi actually ever studied under Takeda or not. I beleive the same that he only knew the locks he knew from what he had seen from many years of watching. If you look at a lot of the joint manipulations and throws in Hapkido you will find that they are almost identical to Aikido and Daito Ryu Aikijujitsu. The only difference is that I don't beleive the Hapkido techniques are quite as well refined as the originals. That's why I beleive that it was something he picked up from watching all that time.

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