The Chi Experiment

Tcell · 11-21-2003, 04:41 PM

For years I've heard various claims about Chi/Ki.

Some claim it as an almost mystical force that enables people to do extraordinary feats.

Others claim it's a state of mind,fighting spirit kind of thing.

I must admit I've not had that much experience with it.

I don't know if it's a 'real' thing or a state of mind.

I admit I'm quite dubious about any kind of 'mystical' energy.
When I read articles about various 'inner' aspects of martial arts in particular magazines, I'm usually not that impressed.
For example an article on a particular 'Silat' player, he stated that when trained to a high enough level practioners could drop someone from as far as twenty odd feet away using internal energy!

Now that sounds like complete bollocks to me.
However that doesn't mean I'm ready to dismiss all claims about internal energy/chi/ki as rubbish.

What I propose is that any practitioners of internal arts (in the UK or if you're passing through),who can demonstrate chi/ki come to
SENI '04 at the NEC & demonstrate your Chi/Ki to me.
Don't get me wrong, this is not an open call for a challenge match & I mean no disrespect to anyone,however I think it would be a good thing to put to the test any claims of 'internal' powers at an event like SENI '04 among lots of MA's from differnt styles/backgrounds,maybe it will help shed some light on the whole Chi/Ki thing.

Cheers Jez

**Thai Bri** · 11-21-2003, 08:13 PM

I'll be at the Seni, doing a demonstration of Cheek. Will that do? I am a Grand Master.

In all seriousness, that is a great idea. Put up or shut up, you Chi-Ki people. Get it? Chi-Ki? Cheeky?

I don't know. I'm wasted here.

Tcell · 11-24-2003, 04:20 PM

Bri,

you are funny

Any replies/thoughts from any 'internal stylists'?
About the experiment, not if Bri is funny, that's obvious.

**Thai Bri** · 11-24-2003, 06:29 PM

Perhaps some 800 years old Taoist Monk will come along, along with his great great great great great great great grandson, who'll be a spring chicken at 150.

You're not going to get alot of takers on this challenge. The best they do is demos, and even then only under strictly controlled circumstances and on people they bring along.

Where are all those "Chi is real" folks now?

Sean Dempsey · 11-24-2003, 06:42 PM

Watch as Ryu hurls a Chi ball!

Ryu and Ken in a Chi battle

I think the evidence speaks for itself.

Tcell · 11-27-2003, 04:23 PM

Still no replies from 'internal stylists'.

Is it because it's in the UK & you can't get there?

Is it because you feel I'm being disrespectfull?

Is it because you don't think you can demonstrate chi/ki?

Maybe you don't read this forum & you're busy training?

If anyone knows some one trains their chi/ki
could they let them know about this proposed experiment.
Or if you know of a chi/ki type forum let me know so I can go ask them.

Cheers Jez

c0bra · 11-27-2003, 04:28 PM

KIA!!!!1!1...

there..

did you see your monitor flicker?

**Thai Bri** · 11-27-2003, 06:47 PM

TCell - I am rather entertaining the theory that they won't show up because....... you guessed it....... because they are full of shit.

Tom Yum · 11-27-2003, 08:22 PM

correction, they are full of chi

EnlightenedOne · 11-27-2003, 08:36 PM

I look at chi as more of a focusing your energy or relaxation thing.
For instance, when you are breaking a board or 10 boards even, you focus on your target, and you think about concentrating all of your power to break your target. Or you can look at it as sort of a meditation thing. I don't really believe that you can drop your enemy 20 feet away using chi though.

Tom Yum · 11-27-2003, 08:52 PM

I think chi refers to 2 things:

1. your diaphragm
2. what boxers call "core" muscles around your center of gravity.

Diaphragm controls your breathing and relaxed breath control improves your cardio stamina.

The core group of muscles exponentially effects your striking power. push a heavy door with your arm strength only. it barely moves (unless you are Bob Sapp). Then use your legs, tighten your core and keep your arm slightly locked (not pushing) and the door opens easily

Chi has tons of myths which are bogus; look at the failure of the Chinese boxers rebellion. False confidence in chi got 1,000 of monks killed by less than 100 British troops with a few rifles.

It boils down to controlled breathing and good body mechanics which influence your power and stamina. Anything else is fiction.

**Thai Bri** · 11-28-2003, 10:43 AM

In other words, good technique.

Tom Yum · 11-28-2003, 10:55 AM

Yes. With emphasis on breath control from deep breathing excercises.

EnlightenedOne · 11-28-2003, 09:14 PM

YOu can also relate it to self motivation. For example, telling yourself that you can accomplish something over and over so that you can.

Tom Yum · 11-28-2003, 09:20 PM

"I can hypnotize E-N-L-I-G-H-T-E-N-E-D ONE to make me a cup of coffee.....ohmmmmm and don't forget the sugar.....ohhhmmmmm"

Hold the urine, thks.

11-21-2003, 04:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
Tcell Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: uk s.e Posts: 65	The Chi Experiment For years I've heard various claims about Chi/Ki. Some claim it as an almost mystical force that enables people to do extraordinary feats. Others claim it's a state of mind,fighting spirit kind of thing. I must admit I've not had that much experience with it. I don't know if it's a 'real' thing or a state of mind. I admit I'm quite dubious about any kind of 'mystical' energy. When I read articles about various 'inner' aspects of martial arts in particular magazines, I'm usually not that impressed. For example an article on a particular 'Silat' player, he stated that when trained to a high enough level practioners could drop someone from as far as twenty odd feet away using internal energy! Now that sounds like complete bollocks to me. However that doesn't mean I'm ready to dismiss all claims about internal energy/chi/ki as rubbish. What I propose is that any practitioners of internal arts (in the UK or if you're passing through),who can demonstrate chi/ki come to SENI '04 at the NEC & demonstrate your Chi/Ki to me. Don't get me wrong, this is not an open call for a challenge match & I mean no disrespect to anyone,however I think it would be a good thing to put to the test any claims of 'internal' powers at an event like SENI '04 among lots of MA's from differnt styles/backgrounds,maybe it will help shed some light on the whole Chi/Ki thing. Cheers Jez

11-24-2003, 06:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sean Dempsey Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 274	Watch as Ryu hurls a Chi ball! Ryu and Ken in a Chi battle I think the evidence speaks for itself. __________________ ...making $70,000 a year in pure PROFIT like I am right now from my full time career in Information Technology as a Programmer... - GuardMaster Make up to 7 dollars a year PROFIT like I do right now as a Submission Grappling Joint Relocator! - Sean Dempsey

11-27-2003, 04:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
c0bra Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: el Florida Posts: 144	KIA!!!!1!1... there.. did you see your monitor flicker? __________________ poof!

11-27-2003, 08:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
EnlightenedOne Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 70	I look at chi as more of a focusing your energy or relaxation thing. For instance, when you are breaking a board or 10 boards even, you focus on your target, and you think about concentrating all of your power to break your target. Or you can look at it as sort of a meditation thing. I don't really believe that you can drop your enemy 20 feet away using chi though. __________________ "I would kill you in a fair fight!" "Well that's not much incentive for me to fight fair then is it?"

11-28-2003, 10:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,218	Yes. With emphasis on breath control from deep breathing excercises. __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

11-21-2003, 08:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	I'll be at the Seni, doing a demonstration of Cheek. Will that do? I am a Grand Master. In all seriousness, that is a great idea. Put up or shut up, you Chi-Ki people. Get it? Chi-Ki? Cheeky? I don't know. I'm wasted here.

11-24-2003, 04:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tcell Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: uk s.e Posts: 65	Bri, you are funny Any replies/thoughts from any 'internal stylists'? About the experiment, not if Bri is funny, that's obvious.

11-24-2003, 06:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	Perhaps some 800 years old Taoist Monk will come along, along with his great great great great great great great grandson, who'll be a spring chicken at 150. You're not going to get alot of takers on this challenge. The best they do is demos, and even then only under strictly controlled circumstances and on people they bring along. Where are all those "Chi is real" folks now?

11-27-2003, 04:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
Tcell Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: uk s.e Posts: 65	Still no replies from 'internal stylists'. Is it because it's in the UK & you can't get there? Is it because you feel I'm being disrespectfull? Is it because you don't think you can demonstrate chi/ki? Maybe you don't read this forum & you're busy training? If anyone knows some one trains their chi/ki could they let them know about this proposed experiment. Or if you know of a chi/ki type forum let me know so I can go ask them. Cheers Jez

11-27-2003, 06:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	TCell - I am rather entertaining the theory that they won't show up because....... you guessed it....... because they are full of shit.

11-27-2003, 08:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,218	correction, they are full of chi

11-27-2003, 08:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,218	I think chi refers to 2 things: 1. your diaphragm 2. what boxers call "core" muscles around your center of gravity. Diaphragm controls your breathing and relaxed breath control improves your cardio stamina. The core group of muscles exponentially effects your striking power. push a heavy door with your arm strength only. it barely moves (unless you are Bob Sapp). Then use your legs, tighten your core and keep your arm slightly locked (not pushing) and the door opens easily Chi has tons of myths which are bogus; look at the failure of the Chinese boxers rebellion. False confidence in chi got 1,000 of monks killed by less than 100 British troops with a few rifles. It boils down to controlled breathing and good body mechanics which influence your power and stamina. Anything else is fiction.

11-28-2003, 10:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,423	In other words, good technique.

11-28-2003, 09:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
EnlightenedOne Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 70	YOu can also relate it to self motivation. For example, telling yourself that you can accomplish something over and over so that you can. __________________ "I would kill you in a fair fight!" "Well that's not much incentive for me to fight fair then is it?"

11-28-2003, 09:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,218	"I can hypnotize E-N-L-I-G-H-T-E-N-E-D ONE to make me a cup of coffee.....ohmmmmm and don't forget the sugar.....ohhhmmmmm" Hold the urine, thks. __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

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