bowing in - Page 3

jubaji · 07-06-2007, 03:01 AM

That's the worst apology I've seen in quite some time...

jubaji · 07-06-2007, 02:05 PM

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wsdddoa012 · 07-06-2007, 02:43 PM

jubaji

wsdddoa012 · 07-10-2007, 03:33 AM

Jubaji Yeah it may be so. But I was apologizing to everyone else in the forum for YOUR ARROGANCE.. Although funny as hell, it's getting annoying.

tata

jubaji · 07-10-2007, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wsdddoa012

Jubaji Yeah it may be so. But I was apologizing to everyone else in the forum for YOUR ARROGANCE..

Why don't you stick to apologizing for yourself, assface?

aku aku · 07-10-2007, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wsdddoa012

Some cultures they scream as a sign of respect towards eachother,

That's cool! I think we should scream at each other.

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Originally Posted by wsdddoa012

In any case EVERY culture has a way of addressing respect towards eachother. Bowing is just one in a hundred ways.

That's why I don't feel we need to bow to show respect. My native, western culture already has ways to show respect but I want to change my answer. I think we should scream at each other.

wsdddoa012 · 07-12-2007, 06:48 PM

Assface? haha that's a funny one is that the best you can come up with? Seriously...

wsdddoa012 · 07-12-2007, 06:49 PM

I should've actually put chanting but to me it sounded like yelling?

jubaji · 07-12-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wsdddoa012

Assface? haha that's a funny one is that the best you can come up with? Seriously...

Don't blame me. You're the one with the ass for a face.

Garland · 07-13-2007, 03:59 AM

be ready to be shocked and suprised.

I believe that some sort of bow or salute is absolutely MANDATORY for any class. It shouldn't be brushed off as a formality. It is necessary to show respect for your instructor, who is giving you a gift- and to the training partners that are giving their bodies to you to train with. It is a way to build a rapport and as a group, and to honor each other.

It can be as simple as a handshake or a nod, shit, even a joke or a pat on the back...it doesn't need to be a traditional bow or formal homage... it simply needs to be a signal and sign of respect and fraternity.

That aside...I am kind of fond of all of these formal methods. I like the Thai wai, I like the Jun fan salute, the FMA salute, the savate salute, the bow...etc. It keeps a tiny bit of the culture and meaning or though behind the art alive. Done right, with enough earnesty, insight, and self reflection...it can be a powerful tool to understanding the art itself (such as a rammuay or it's equivalent in krabbi krabrong) and can even have value as a...profilactic, preventative means of self defense. (understanding the need to give others a nod, a reminder to keep your cool as well as to keep your own space without infringing or disrespecting others...to keep an air of humility, responsibility, reciprocity, and respect).

wsdddoa012 · 07-17-2007, 04:12 AM

jubaji,

I knew your face looked like your ass but I had no idea just how much that was true!!

jubaji · 07-17-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by wsdddoa012

jubaji,

I knew your face looked like your ass but I had no idea just how much that was true!!

It took you a week to come up with that?

Mike Brewer · 07-17-2007, 10:43 AM

Jubaji,
It's not the insult, but the zen mindset put into it. Like a kyudo shot, it's about becoming one with the insult. Don't worry, though. That's Senior Chief Instrructor stuff. Probably well beyond most people's capacity to understand.

Garland · 07-17-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Brewer

Jubaji,
It's not the insult, but the zen mindset put into it. Like a kyudo shot, it's about becoming one with the insult.

Deep. Very deep.

I must meditate on this one. Maybe we can turn it into a koan.

jubaji · 07-17-2007, 06:25 PM

Maybe we should just leave it in the koen.

View Poll Results: How often do you think students should bow in?
it's just formality and really unnecessary.	6	18.75%
in large groups and at public gatherings, just out of tradition.	2	6.25%
sets the tone at the beginning and end of class or training sessions	14	43.75%
before and after each technique or class, large or small, formal or informal	10	31.25%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

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07-06-2007, 02:43 PM	#33 (permalink)
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07-10-2007, 03:33 AM	#34 (permalink)
wsdddoa012 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 88	response Jubaji Yeah it may be so. But I was apologizing to everyone else in the forum for YOUR ARROGANCE.. Although funny as hell, it's getting annoying. tata __________________ Mike Senior Chief Instructor

07-12-2007, 06:48 PM	#37 (permalink)
wsdddoa012 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 88	response Assface? haha that's a funny one is that the best you can come up with? Seriously... __________________ Mike Senior Chief Instructor

07-12-2007, 06:49 PM	#38 (permalink)
wsdddoa012 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 88	response I should've actually put chanting but to me it sounded like yelling? __________________ Mike Senior Chief Instructor

07-13-2007, 03:59 AM	#40 (permalink)
Garland Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 4,861	be ready to be shocked and suprised. I believe that some sort of bow or salute is absolutely MANDATORY for any class. It shouldn't be brushed off as a formality. It is necessary to show respect for your instructor, who is giving you a gift- and to the training partners that are giving their bodies to you to train with. It is a way to build a rapport and as a group, and to honor each other. It can be as simple as a handshake or a nod, shit, even a joke or a pat on the back...it doesn't need to be a traditional bow or formal homage... it simply needs to be a signal and sign of respect and fraternity. That aside...I am kind of fond of all of these formal methods. I like the Thai wai, I like the Jun fan salute, the FMA salute, the savate salute, the bow...etc. It keeps a tiny bit of the culture and meaning or though behind the art alive. Done right, with enough earnesty, insight, and self reflection...it can be a powerful tool to understanding the art itself (such as a rammuay or it's equivalent in krabbi krabrong) and can even have value as a...profilactic, preventative means of self defense. (understanding the need to give others a nod, a reminder to keep your cool as well as to keep your own space without infringing or disrespecting others...to keep an air of humility, responsibility, reciprocity, and respect). __________________ I kick you in da neck! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBHLrpn07G4 http://www.break.com/movies/englishf.html homo homini lupus Komm Susser Todd. No, no...no no no...whatever you are drinking, you need much, much more...and then to sleep. - jubaji

07-17-2007, 04:12 AM	#41 (permalink)
wsdddoa012 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 88	response jubaji, I knew your face looked like your ass but I had no idea just how much that was true!! __________________ Mike Senior Chief Instructor

07-17-2007, 10:43 AM	#43 (permalink)
Mike Brewer Moderate Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 8,041	Jubaji, It's not the insult, but the zen mindset put into it. Like a kyudo shot, it's about becoming one with the insult. Don't worry, though. That's Senior Chief Instrructor stuff. Probably well beyond most people's capacity to understand.

07-17-2007, 06:25 PM	#45 (permalink)
jubaji Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: koko Posts: 8,110	Maybe we should just leave it in the koen. __________________ Optional signature you may use to appear at bottom of your posts.

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