Tom Yum

Y = distance. I'm going to change the variables...

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jubaji

Wrong and wrong.

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Oraenor

with no explainations eh?!?

I still stand stong that fat plays no part in martial arts so you can get obese all you like. You can use whatever you want to defend being fat but I'm telling you that muscle is better and the fat is a hinderance.You can tell when a martial artist is crap when you see a fat man teaching it who only moves afew body parts and sweats furiously, exceptions is some masters are fat genetically .


martial arts, a system of fighting was primarily designed to defend from a threat. people either trained to get bigger and be bigger or same size as threat or that they trained to utilise what they have to take on a larger or better equiped guy.I hardly see any need for a person to learn martial arts to beat up a smaller threat.Sheer weight and brute force is enough.

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jubaji

You said "fat really plays no part in any martial arts," and that is not true. Fat is kind of a big factor in Sumo.

You said "martial arts was primarily designed for the little guys to take on the big guys" and that's not true either. Martial Arts are arts designed for fighting, the whole bigger/smaller thing is another sub-set.


I'm just sayin'

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Oraenor

Fat plays no part in Sumo wrestling, its the culture that only a fat can do sumo. I consider a sport as well, not a martial art.

fighting is part of martial arts but its more about standing up to yourself and staying alive in a fight situation which leads to the bigger/smaller thing

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jubaji

Sorry, but wrong and wrong.


Now you're just stating your own personal valuations.

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eXcessiveForce

Fat can act as a shock absorber in the mid section, A hard shot on solid abs seems to cut through more than if there is a small layer of fat to cushion it a bit.


At the same time, carrying extra weight will tire you faster even if it's only 5 or 10 lbs.


All in all probably better to be on the lower end of the body fat scale, and High on the lean muscle scale.

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Tom Yum

Actually the Asian martial arts were initially designed as a form of excercise to keep buddhist monks in shape after long sessions of meditation. The excercises came from Da Mo (Boddhidarma) an Indian who made a trip to China to spread Buddhism. The Chinese took the excercises, learned them while also studying the way different animals attacked each other (shaolin 5-animals). The combination did not initially make sense, but overtime it developed into a set of excercises that could also be used as a fighting art.

The martial arts developed further to include weapons and were spread to Korea and Japan (via Okinawa).

Wrestling, as a combat sport, has been around long before gong fu.

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KenshiRyan

(Im wondering, whats the best defence against somone whos tryign to tackle you down?)

jubaji

That's kind of a broad question.

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KenshiRyan

any ideas will be greatly appreciated

jubaji

You have to be more specific.

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gabbah

To not be there?
In other words, to get out of the way I guess.

KenshiRyan

Sory Jubaji I get what you mean, Hmm I guess just your average tackle to try get you onto the ground? Ive seen it happen in alot of school fights (neither of them wer trained) they just end up sitting on them and punching them, Hopfully thats makes it a bit clearer

jubaji

Sorry man, not to give you a hard time, but it really doesn't. Are you talking about a 'football tackle,' wrapping up a person around the waist? In that case, a front headlock, maybe a guillotine. Are you talking about a proper leg-shot? Then most likely sprawl and throw in a whizzer and cross-face or go to a front headlock again. Are you talking about someone trying to wrap you up high? Could be a good time to throw.

All depends on what exactly you're talking about.

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