how to go ground fighting in BJJ?

Panagiotis97 · 12-01-2003, 06:05 AM

BJJ is focused on ground fighting :-)
all i hear is that it doesnt matter how to get the opponent on the floor just do it anyway you can...

do BJJ practicioners learn throws or takedows or whatever well enough to get the opponent to the ground?
or is it something like "you throw him down, i dont care how you do it, and then do what i have taught you)

even if you are the best in ground fighting dont tou think your skills are useless if you dont know how to take the fight to ground?!
if your opponent is big, strong, and he is good enough to stay on his legs what then...?

i mean you cant just go to ground with someone like Karelin, Tyson, Lennox Lewis if you arent very good at throws or takedowns..

if a BJJ practicioner learnt the Jodo throws well wouldnt that be ideal?

kid_chocolate · 12-01-2003, 07:13 AM

Some of them suck ass and some are very good.

IPON · 12-01-2003, 07:26 AM

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Originally posted by Panagiotis97
if your opponent is big, strong, and he is good enough to stay on his legs what then...?

i mean you cant just go to ground with someone like Karelin, Tyson, Lennox Lewis if you arent very good at throws or takedowns..

if a BJJ practicioner learnt the Jodo throws well wouldnt that be ideal?

BJJ is focused on groundfighting and you will learn TDs to get opponents on the ground.

Is intentionally going to the ground the best for street fighting? do all fights go to the ground? IMHO no. But BJJ can be used for SD

Like anything else, uou will learn to be proficient at throws and TDs. Throws are included in BJJ just not to the same extent as Judo or JJJ. Lewis and Tyson are boxers, The philosophy of BJJ is to take the opponent out of there element (standing) and to the ground

Szczepankiewicz · 12-01-2003, 09:37 AM

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Hagarkure

What's that?

Sean Dempsey · 12-01-2003, 10:11 AM

BJJ contains many throws and stand up maneuvers. 3 months out of each year is stand up self defense at our academy where you learn throws, escapes from standing positions, takedowns, clinches, strike and kick defenses...

This is quite common in BJJ. It amazes me how many people unfamiliar with BJJ assume it is 100% ground work. Any good academy teaches the stand up portion also.

Mr. Miyagi · 12-01-2003, 11:37 AM

BJJ takedowns are a combination of wrestling and judo moves. Since bjj's focus is different, obviously a bjj'er will not have as good takedowns as a wrestler and not as good throws as a judo player. But from what I've seen, bjj's takedown training will be easily good enough for a blue belt to take down 99% of the population in the street.
Just because you see a bjj black belt having trouble getting someone down in a PRIDE or UFC match, doesn't mean that bjj takedowns are not effective. While they may come up short on an elite MMA level, they are plenty good enough in general. You are taught from the early levels to take the opponent down and try to be on top, the points in bjj matches show that takedowns are valued.

mjohnson · 12-01-2003, 05:30 PM

Sean is right.

Any good BJJ school will teach striking and self defense. My old instructor taught muay thai and kick boxing along with BJJ. We did this at least once a week. After we did bag work, we did KB or MT sparring, and then we did NHB or Vale Tudo sparring complete with take downs.

jubaji · 12-01-2003, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by kid_chocolate
Some of them suck ass and some are very good.

Some are very good at sucking ass?

Szczepankiewicz · 12-01-2003, 06:31 PM

I take it that the whole 'sucking ass' thing is considered a negative?

jubaji · 12-01-2003, 06:36 PM

sounds negative, but who can understand the young people today with their 'lingo' and all.

IPON · 12-01-2003, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Szczepankiewicz
What's that?

Hagakure "The book of the Samuri" by Yamaoto Tsunetomo. This was translated by William Scott Wilson the same guy who translated the Book of the Five Rings. It is a book of short essays, reflections thoughts about being a warrior.

12-01-2003, 06:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
Panagiotis97 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 22	how to go ground fighting in BJJ? BJJ is focused on ground fighting :-) all i hear is that it doesnt matter how to get the opponent on the floor just do it anyway you can... do BJJ practicioners learn throws or takedows or whatever well enough to get the opponent to the ground? or is it something like "you throw him down, i dont care how you do it, and then do what i have taught you) even if you are the best in ground fighting dont tou think your skills are useless if you dont know how to take the fight to ground?! if your opponent is big, strong, and he is good enough to stay on his legs what then...? i mean you cant just go to ground with someone like Karelin, Tyson, Lennox Lewis if you arent very good at throws or takedowns.. if a BJJ practicioner learnt the Jodo throws well wouldnt that be ideal?

12-01-2003, 07:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
kid_chocolate Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 72	re Some of them suck ass and some are very good.

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Sean Dempsey Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 274	BJJ contains many throws and stand up maneuvers. 3 months out of each year is stand up self defense at our academy where you learn throws, escapes from standing positions, takedowns, clinches, strike and kick defenses... This is quite common in BJJ. It amazes me how many people unfamiliar with BJJ assume it is 100% ground work. Any good academy teaches the stand up portion also. __________________ ...making $70,000 a year in pure PROFIT like I am right now from my full time career in Information Technology as a Programmer... - GuardMaster Make up to 7 dollars a year PROFIT like I do right now as a Submission Grappling Joint Relocator! - Sean Dempsey

12-01-2003, 05:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
mjohnson Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Andrews, Texas Posts: 79	BJJ Sean is right. Any good BJJ school will teach striking and self defense. My old instructor taught muay thai and kick boxing along with BJJ. We did this at least once a week. After we did bag work, we did KB or MT sparring, and then we did NHB or Vale Tudo sparring complete with take downs.

12-01-2003, 06:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
jubaji Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: koko Posts: 8,468	sounds negative, but who can understand the young people today with their 'lingo' and all. __________________ Optional signature you may use to appear at bottom of your posts.

12-01-2003, 11:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
Mr. Miyagi Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 719	BJJ takedowns are a combination of wrestling and judo moves. Since bjj's focus is different, obviously a bjj'er will not have as good takedowns as a wrestler and not as good throws as a judo player. But from what I've seen, bjj's takedown training will be easily good enough for a blue belt to take down 99% of the population in the street. Just because you see a bjj black belt having trouble getting someone down in a PRIDE or UFC match, doesn't mean that bjj takedowns are not effective. While they may come up short on an elite MMA level, they are plenty good enough in general. You are taught from the early levels to take the opponent down and try to be on top, the points in bjj matches show that takedowns are valued.

12-01-2003, 06:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109	I take it that the whole 'sucking ass' thing is considered a negative?

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