Triangle problem

[mpg9999]

This has happened to me twice now. Im not even sure myself what exactly happened, but ill try to explain it the best I can. Somehow, I got a triangle on this guy. It wasnt by the way we learned with them in your guard and then them going under your leg. I just saw that it looked like I could get a triangle and went for it. I couldnt get the guy to tap. He was sorta standing up and kept moving around alot. My leg was up over his back and on his neck, and it was also hooked under my other knee good. I also had his arm. I was bringing it all in but he just wouldnt tap. Was it because he was able to stand up? I need to pay attention to what I do more next time...

-Mike

[sercuerdas]

spin lace the leg and sweep.

[mpg9999]

Say what? Spin lace?

[tekshow]

back to the triangle:


i'm kinda small and its hard for me to put my legs around some of the bigger guys and get it all the way into the knee pit, so this is just how i accent my own triangle with a few tricks...



if you can, once you set the lock, pull the arm across their throat as much as possible to tighten it up, once you have that pull down on their head to help set them into the choke even more....

you can also extend your leg that's wrapped around your foot outward, like a side kick, this helps tighten it up as well...


if that doesn't work this is what i do:


for some of the bigger guys they will immediately try to stand up, sometimes lifting me off the ground, or they will do a shoulder stack and press my knee to my head... both of which i don't like


so instead of going for the triangle i just put an armbar on from the triangle.... it's really easy to do and if they're fighting the choke they usually don't think about it - so when they stand up, just pull down on their arm and hold onto the triangle as much as you can....



but yeah, if it's not working for you work it more and more, and then if you must let go to keep your position instead of letting the other guy gain control....



play, play, play - peace -
joe

[doubleouch]

The angle is very important. Get your body at a 90 degree angle to theirs. Line your body up with the arm that is trapped between your legs. Grab the back of his head with both hands and pull down.

[sercuerdas]

spin on your back
wrap leg with your arm from the inside
sweep him to ground

[Cain]

angle of hip and angle of legs.. most important..

[mjohnson]

Here is a website with good pictures and explination of guard/triangle moves.

www.jenbjj.com/technique

also look at

www.ultimatejujitsu.com

www.bjj.org The moves from jenbjj.com are also on this site.

Everyone that posted had great points and advice, maybe these will let you see how they work and different variations or moves you can attempt if the triangle choke fails.

Most importantly, from what you stated, you need to pull down on the back of their head, towards your groin, to complete the choke.

Some people can handle the choke better than others and need more pressure applied, mostly the advanced students.

[Cagao]

Since my site was mentioned, I thought I'd join in and say to squeeze your knees together. It's the tightest, and from what I've seen and experienced the most effective way to pull a triangle.

Just like with a rear naked choke, some people say to pull back and breath in, I find that simply squeezing your elbows together works much quicker

Any views?

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Cagao

Since my site was mentioned, I thought I'd join in and say to squeeze your knees together. It's the tightest, and from what I've seen and experienced the most effective way to pull a triangle.

Just like with a rear naked choke, some people say to pull back and breath in, I find that simply squeezing your elbows together works much quicker

Any views?

Very good, I was waiting for someone to add that! This is a good thread! Being of smallish size myself and having played with these techniques all I can add is have fun with it!

[cakegirl]

If the guy stood up, chances are he was taking the weight of the triangle on the back of his neck, which is never going to make him tap. What it does is allows a little bit of space in front. If that happens, it's up to you to fix it - either by readjusting the foot/knee to make it tighter, or by using that space to push his arm into an even better position across his neck.

Or you can go for the armbar

[wardancer]

I would suggest switching to arm barm, some dude are very hard to tap from a triangle:
especially when the person is smaller.