BJJ or Judo best for self defense?

[Panagiotis97]

i read tha BJJ was created for self defense purposes...
but because its concetrating on ground fighting it wouldnt be wise to apply it in a real fight situation, you dont want to be on the ground for too long...

some say that in Judo you learn technices and throws that you can use against bigger opponents...
some other say that its difficult to throw a strong guy...

so if it is for self defense
which is one more suitable?
BJJ or Judo?

are they same art with the only difference BJJ is more about ground fighting and Judo is more about stand up grapplin?

[GRACIEAUSTIN]

no doubt good BJJ is better for Self-defense.

[Sean Dempsey]

Judo is an olympic sport, and most places teach it as such. It has throws and grappling moves and such, but is designed as a contact sport.

While BJJ is also, it is more of a fighting method, where moves all flow together, with stand up defense, throws, stand up grappling, and plenty of ground work.

My biggest complaint about Judo is that they don't really teach how to flow moves together and go from each place to another. It's a totally different game. They go for points and "pins" or whatever, where BJJ goes for submissios and chokes, be it standing or ground. And BJJ does have enough stand up for self defense, I have personally trained many many hours in stand up BJJ.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Neither of these arts is you 'best' bet for self-defense.

There is no 'best' art for self-defense.

Which art is more versatile, accessable, affordable, and adaptable to your schedule, lifestyle, budget?


Each art out there has advantages and disadvantages. Some have a higher A : D ratio, some have higher D : A ratio.

[krys]

Having practiced both (BJJ for a much longuer time) I would say Judo is better suited for self defence.... In the street you don't want to go to the ground, it is a hard place, sometimes weapons are involved, often several opponents ... besides a good throw on concrete will finish the fight quickly allowing you to run before your agressor recovers or face another opponent.

The owner of the first gym where I practiced BJJ was a Judo vice world champion and we used to roll with him periodically... from time our instructor (purple belt, fought Sakuraba in UFC Japan but lost in the third round) was able to make him tap while on the ground and I (blue) could usually resist 1-2 minutes but we had no chances in stand up fighting...
Even in the BJJ matches I was the few fighters experienced in Judo were often able to throw their opponents, on concrete floor this would often have been enough to finish the fight. BJJ is a great art, but in stand up I'd say Judo is better, and that's where 100% of all self defense situations start.... well that's my opininon based on my own experience, other peoples may disagree.

[MrPoopy]

I think if Judo weren't so sport oriented it would work well for self defense. If you spent an extensive amount of time in either MA, you'd have a decent sense of what to do and what not to do for self defense.

[mjohnson]

I respect Phil and what he brings to the martial arts world. Calling him a simpleton proves nothing. I wish I had to time and money to train with him, rather than some of the other BJJ instructors that are closer to me.

I also agree, good BJJ is better than Judo for street fighting.

My father was a Judo BB and instructor when he was my age (early 20's, and no he does not practice judo anymore). I respect Judo as a sport, but for street fighting its impractical. Good BJJ, with striking, will teach you more. The throws that Judo uses are mostly impractical, that is why they are not in BJJ.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by mjohnson

I also agree, good BJJ is better than Judo for street fighting.

My father was a Judo BB and instructor when he was my age (early 20's, and no he does not practice judo anymore). I respect Judo as a sport, but for street fighting its impractical. Good BJJ, with striking, will teach you more. The throws that Judo uses are mostly impractical, that is why they are not in BJJ.

Bjj may very well be better. It was the shit attitude I was mocking.

btw, why did you say "with striking"? Couldn't you qualify Judo the same way?

[mjohnson]

Yeah judo with striking would almost be the same thing.

[Pornstar]

put it like this, i've seen threads go on and on about what is best for self-defense and it's the same old argument. bjj=not enough striking, karate or judo= not enough ground etc. then later in the thread you end up saying," well it's best to be well rounded in every thing" not that this wrong, but let's try this... your on the street with no help for miles and a guy who out weighs you by 20 lbs. is handing out sandwiches and a$$whoopins and is fresh outta sandwiches. now you ask god to bless you with the skill of a black belt in only one martial art, only 1. what would you pick? there is your answer. eh?

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by Pornstar

a guy who out weighs you by 20 lbs. is handing out sandwiches and a$$whoopins and is fresh outta sandwiches.

LOL

I like that!

[Creeper]

I train Gracie Jiu Jitsu and it is excellent for self defense whether standing or ground fighting. Remember that the average thug, bully, macho guy, smart ass, do not have training in a formal 'system' so they will try to punch, tackle, stab, or shoot you. In the Gracie curriculum you will learn many ways to disarm a knife, gun, or break a persons leg before the actually attack you, and you can do it standing or on the ground. The choice is yours. The thing I like about BJJ is you can be pro-active instead of just reactive. If I'm threatened I don't want to wait for the person to attack before I can fight back. If they are showing signs of aggression and I sense they are reaching for a weapon, I know what techniques I can do to bring them down quickly and painfully (if I choose) before they ever had time to reach for the weapon in their pocket.

As for Judo, most Judo instructors train as if you are going to the Olympics for competition. If you can find a Judo school that teaches all the techniques they don't allow in the olympics then you will have better street skills than someone who only trains for sport and your skills will be more practical for real world self-defense.

My experience tells me any martial art that trains people for self defense will have some sort of value on the street. When you train for something as a sport only, you have to interperate that into street scenarios and that's where things enter the grey-area of whether it will actually work. Personally, I would rather have the confidence of knowing my style was designed to protect me.

[CKD]

Well for completeness I have to go with bjj because it includes striking and better groundwork than judo. Judo has striking but most of it resembles traditional karate. BJJ rules also advocate turning your back to your opponent which is disasterous in a real fight.

[Creeper]

In addition to my previous post, I think BJJ and Boxing go hand in hand.

[TylerDurden]

I think it could go either way. Having trained in both, BJJ is better if you are in deep trouble. Tackled to the ground and whatnot. But Judo can end it right now. One good throw, spike their head into the concrete and walk away. It depends on what you want more.