The Ultimate in Martial Arts

Beltz · 12-10-2003, 10:55 AM

Hi, I currently train at Senshido (montreal, RBSD) which includes Muay Thai training.

I'm signing up today at a BJJ school as well.

I'd like to eventually get a good stand-up grappling game, to be able to get my oponent to the floor in a fight or BJJ match.

The BJJ school in question also gives some wrestling classes which I will eventually try. But what are the other options for stand-up grappling and throwing people to the ground? I heard judo and sambo, but I have absolutely no idea how they are different from wrestling.

Also my school gives greco-roman wrestling classes instead of freeestyle. Would it be better for me to seek freestyle if I did choose wrestling?

Feel free to recommend other arts as well.

PS- I also thought of mentionning Aikido but my uninformed view is that it seems too fake and unappliable in a no-consent situation (ie. in a bjj match or a real fight). Am I wrong? Can it be used just as well to take someone to the ground? Never heard that one before.

jubaji · 12-10-2003, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beltz

The BJJ school in question also gives some wrestling classes which I will eventually try. .

why "eventually"?

Szczepankiewicz · 12-10-2003, 11:41 AM

Welcome aboard Beltz. Nice to see you here.

If you train with Rich you'd be much better served to ask him what his opinion would be than to rely on us forum monkeys.

If you want a good supplement to your stand up grappling I highly recommend Hapkido Hoshinsul by Alain Burrese.

I have written a comprehensive review for it, and the review should appear in next month's Martialist Free Content.

If you order it, tell Alain that Spanky sent you and he should autograph it for you.

Spanky

Beltz · 12-10-2003, 01:26 PM

"why "eventually"?"

My schedule is too cluttered at the moment so I want to see how all that sport fits in my schedule before getting into another thing.

Thanks Szczepankiewicz for your input. I am in the process of asking Rich by spamming his forums :P and did get some feedback already but I'd like to consider other opinions since the reason I want to take those lessons have nothing to do with RBSD.

I've never heard about hapkido and will check the site out but I'm getting the impression that this isn't exactly what I'm looking for. It looks like more of a complete system which includes striking while I'm only looking for pure stand-up grappling, to learn to take people down.

Szczepankiewicz · 12-10-2003, 01:37 PM

Aye laddie,

Allow me to clarify, Hapkido Hoshinsul as presented on the tape only deals with the stand up grappling portions of Hapkido.

I'm not going to get into details until after the review prints.

I am not advocating that you take up Hapkido either. MOST Hapkido I've seen (very little mind you) beyond what I've trained with Alain isn't that great.

However, training with Alain in Hapkido definitely has an edge to it.

Good luck in your search.

Spanky

jubaji · 12-10-2003, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beltz

"why "eventually"?"

My schedule is too cluttered at the moment so I want to see how all that sport fits in my schedule before getting into another thing.

I'm only looking for pure stand-up grappling, to learn to take people down.

But if you want to learn to take people down, you should start with wrestling before anything else!

Beltz · 12-10-2003, 03:39 PM

lol let's stay on topic shall we

I'm gonna keep with my plan of doing BJJ and senshido because this is what I like. I just need advice for the future when I will seek some stand up grappling skills.

**Thai Bri** · 12-10-2003, 07:34 PM

If it makes you happy, fine. But why grapple on your feet when you can shred?

Szczepankiewicz · 12-10-2003, 07:36 PM

Or shoot??

Beltz · 12-10-2003, 11:33 PM

Because I do senshido for self defense, I do BJJ and grappling for sport and fun.

jubaji · 12-10-2003, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beltz

Because I do senshido for self defense, I do BJJ and grappling for sport and fun.

Have you actually used both for their intended purpose?

Maxetai · 12-11-2003, 05:46 AM

Beltz,
Greco-Roman Wrestling just might be what you are looking for.
Do some searching in your area and you might be pleasantly surprised at what you'll find.

kid_chocolate · 12-11-2003, 06:19 AM

Judo and sombo are both good. Freestyle wrestling is also good. Just look around your local area and see which of the above has the best coach. No use training in something if the coach/club is crappy.

IPON · 12-11-2003, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beltz

Also my school gives greco-roman wrestling classes instead of freeestyle. Would it be better for me to seek freestyle if I did choose wrestling?

Hi Beltz, Greco-Roman focues on throws (TDs above the waist no legs) which is probably why your instructor included that. Also, it is difficult to find wreslting clubs outside of HS and college so your options are limited.

Hapkido is a good style of SD and I agree with Spanky it does depend on who's teaching (it can lean towrd TKD or Judo/jujitsu). My frustration is the level of contact sparring on the whole (but there are people who do want real sparring)

Between Judo and Sambo I think they are both good, Sambo is a sort of a combo of Russian style wrestling and Judo and I think it it will be more difficulty to find a Sambo school.

I would suggest Judo for stand-up combined with teh greco is a great combo.

Beltz · 12-11-2003, 02:58 PM

Thanks again guys

I went to my BJJ school and realized that their wrestling classes are actually freestyle so I guess this is even better.

I live in Montreal (2-3 mil pop I think) so its a pretty big city. It might have sambo or other weird schools

12-10-2003, 10:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
Beltz Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	What stand-up grappling should I take? Hi, I currently train at Senshido (montreal, RBSD) which includes Muay Thai training. I'm signing up today at a BJJ school as well. I'd like to eventually get a good stand-up grappling game, to be able to get my oponent to the floor in a fight or BJJ match. The BJJ school in question also gives some wrestling classes which I will eventually try. But what are the other options for stand-up grappling and throwing people to the ground? I heard judo and sambo, but I have absolutely no idea how they are different from wrestling. Also my school gives greco-roman wrestling classes instead of freeestyle. Would it be better for me to seek freestyle if I did choose wrestling? Feel free to recommend other arts as well. PS- I also thought of mentionning Aikido but my uninformed view is that it seems too fake and unappliable in a no-consent situation (ie. in a bjj match or a real fight). Am I wrong? Can it be used just as well to take someone to the ground? Never heard that one before.

12-11-2003, 06:19 AM	#13 (permalink)
kid_chocolate Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 72 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	re Judo and sombo are both good. Freestyle wrestling is also good. Just look around your local area and see which of the above has the best coach. No use training in something if the coach/club is crappy.

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12-10-2003, 11:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Welcome aboard Beltz. Nice to see you here. If you train with Rich you'd be much better served to ask him what his opinion would be than to rely on us forum monkeys. If you want a good supplement to your stand up grappling I highly recommend Hapkido Hoshinsul by Alain Burrese. I have written a comprehensive review for it, and the review should appear in next month's Martialist Free Content. If you order it, tell Alain that Spanky sent you and he should autograph it for you. Spanky

12-10-2003, 01:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Beltz Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	"why "eventually"?" My schedule is too cluttered at the moment so I want to see how all that sport fits in my schedule before getting into another thing. Thanks Szczepankiewicz for your input. I am in the process of asking Rich by spamming his forums :P and did get some feedback already but I'd like to consider other opinions since the reason I want to take those lessons have nothing to do with RBSD. I've never heard about hapkido and will check the site out but I'm getting the impression that this isn't exactly what I'm looking for. It looks like more of a complete system which includes striking while I'm only looking for pure stand-up grappling, to learn to take people down.

12-10-2003, 01:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Aye laddie, Allow me to clarify, Hapkido Hoshinsul as presented on the tape only deals with the stand up grappling portions of Hapkido. I'm not going to get into details until after the review prints. I am not advocating that you take up Hapkido either. MOST Hapkido I've seen (very little mind you) beyond what I've trained with Alain isn't that great. However, training with Alain in Hapkido definitely has an edge to it. Good luck in your search. Spanky

12-10-2003, 03:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Beltz Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	lol let's stay on topic shall we I'm gonna keep with my plan of doing BJJ and senshido because this is what I like. I just need advice for the future when I will seek some stand up grappling skills.

12-10-2003, 07:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
Thai Bri Premiere Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,413 Groans: 1 Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts	If it makes you happy, fine. But why grapple on your feet when you can shred?

12-10-2003, 07:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
Szczepankiewicz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Meridian, ID, USA Posts: 4,109 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Or shoot??

12-10-2003, 11:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Beltz Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Because I do senshido for self defense, I do BJJ and grappling for sport and fun.

12-11-2003, 05:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
Maxetai Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Thessaloniki, Greece Posts: 151 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Beltz, Greco-Roman Wrestling just might be what you are looking for. Do some searching in your area and you might be pleasantly surprised at what you'll find.

12-11-2003, 02:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
Beltz Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 5 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks again guys I went to my BJJ school and realized that their wrestling classes are actually freestyle so I guess this is even better. I live in Montreal (2-3 mil pop I think) so its a pretty big city. It might have sambo or other weird schools

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