is Judo groundfighting good enough?

[Thai Bri]

Kid - who did you get your BJJ brown belt from?

[MrPoopy]

Damn. I misread kid chocolates response. I thought he said he had a blue belt in BJJ. Now I see he is just a fraud. You don't get a brown belt quickly in BJJ. No matter what your previous experience is.

[Thai Bri]

No, maybe we are doing him a disservice. Perhaps he is a Brown Belt in Blow Job Jitsu?

[MrPoopy]

He must have gotten his Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu all mixed up. I'm really wondering now who he received his brown belt from.

Maybe it was a white belt that he got and it became brown with poop stains since he's full of it.

[Thai Bri]

Watch it. He'll be a Black Belt next week. Then we're both for it.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I like how he totally ignored my posting points in his response.

It's easier to win an argument when you ignore your opponent eh?

Verbal European waza?

[Thai Bri]

Did somebody speak?

[kid_chocolate]

The fact that you guys can't work out who I am tells me you don't know much about bjj.

I'll give some clues. I wasn't given the belt by a Gracie. I often train in Sweden and Germany. I have a judo background. That should be enough, given the lack of bjj here.

Its a shame you don't have real judo in the US. Seeing it might open your eyes.

[MrPoopy]

I'm sorry, tell me again why Judo here in the U.S. is fake? And who DID you get your brown stained belt from?

[kid_chocolate]

US judo must be fake because you think judo newaza is different from bjj newaza, when they are the same thing.

[bvermillion]

Originally Posted by kid_chocolate

US judo must be fake because you think judo newaza is different from bjj newaza, when they are the same thing.

That doesn't answer anyones questions. Answer the questions posed to you and then maybe people might respect what you say.(probably not though)

[Szczepankiewicz]

Kid Chocolate,

You may be a very smart and talented fellow. For all I know you may be famous, wise, and a helluva nice guy.

But you've not shown anyone anything except your ass.

And for that, you could be Royce Gracie himself, but even if you were, you're rapidly wearing out your welcome.

Everything I've stated, I've been up front and honest about how much training i've done and in which arts. I back up my info with cited resources and give honest opinions and draw conclusions based on information available.

All you've done since you signed up is trash everything in sight.

So.... what the F*** is your damage son?

Spanky

[Thai Bri]

Originally Posted by kid_chocolate

I'll give some clues. I wasn't given the belt by a Gracie. I often train in Sweden and Germany. I have a judo background. That should be enough, given the lack of bjj here.

Santa? Is that it?

[jules]

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Harold Harder & Peter Schira

Gothenburg BJJ Academy

Malmö BJJ (Alliance Jiu-Jitsu)

are you from here? I don't know what you consider "real judo" but the US has olympic judo like the 90% of the world. Back to the subject... If you have a gi on, then you will do ok with Judo... If you dont' have a gi... you are in trouble.

[kid_chocolate]

I am part of the MMA Alliance organisation. I train and teach mostly in Malmo, Lund and also in Stockholm. Judo has been very useful to me, it just depends how you train it. You guys think it is worthless, therefore I have to assume the training you have done in judo is of a low standard. Its comparable to bjj in all but 1% of the technicalities, and many judo guys work these out for themselves if they are interested. I would agree that most judoka do not train enough without the gi, but some do.

There is no bjj vs judo marketing here in Europe and I find it strange that people like to draw a line between two things that are essentially the same. I have trained in the US and was surprised at the lack of decent quality judo available. Its all bjj there which is probably where you get your predudices from. I would urge you to try Gokor's place for judo if you want to see the real thing in your country.