What is the difference between jj and bjj?

[Tiger Claw]

I am wondering the difference between the two. Is one better than the other or are they equal fighting styles?

[m.artist]

jj is japanese jujitsu. and is more rooted in tradition then it is in practicality
bjj is good for nhb fights and continues to prove effecitve. the b is brazilian

[gracilva]

JJ is stronger in stand up and throws.
BJJ is stronger on the ground.
I did JJ for a while and rate it very highly(second only to bjj and muay thai)
JJ is a bit like a Judo/BJJ/Karate mix.
It also has some great standing submissions along with chokes.
JJ doesn't have enough ground work i.m.o
then again BJJ doesn't have enough striking.
You would probably be better off trying a few lessons of each,
or even better.....crosstraining
Hope that helped.
Cheers mate.

[Tiger Claw]

well I like how the jj sounds. I did few jj classes and they did alot of ground work. I am crosstrained already. I just want enough ground knowlege to get off the ground.

[HuSanYan]

Originally Posted by m.artist

jj is japanese jujitsu. and is more rooted in tradition then it is in practicality

far from correct, although various Ryuha can differ considerably

[m.artist]

i only said what some friends told me about it. if im wrong feel free to correct me. which is more effective? bjj or tjj?

[BadgerFu57]

more effective at NHB? BJJ.
Street effectiveness? Varies. I am sure a lot of sport jiu-jitsu schools don't teach any self-defense. Half-guard sweeps are cool and all, but seriously, they aren't practical when some thug is beating you down. I think TJJ could be great depending on the school.

Judo which is kinda a modernized TJJ has fared well against BJJ in NHB.... and I know a few gracies have black belts in Judo. Also, don't forget, BJJ is just TJJ made for a very small person in one-on-one fights..... Helio couldn't do the TJJ throws because he was too small, so he made some crazy groundwork.

[Smart Fighter]

The difference between the two?

Marketing...

[ryanhall]

The difference between the two?

Marketing...

Wrong. That couldn't be further off the mark.

[gracilva]

Originally Posted by Smart Fighter

The difference between the two?

Marketing...

[m.artist]

Originally Posted by BadgerFu57

more effective at NHB? BJJ.
Street effectiveness? Varies. I am sure a lot of sport jiu-jitsu schools don't teach any self-defense. Half-guard sweeps are cool and all, but seriously, they aren't practical when some thug is beating you down. I think TJJ could be great depending on the school.

Judo which is kinda a modernized TJJ has fared well against BJJ in NHB.... and I know a few gracies have black belts in Judo. Also, don't forget, BJJ is just TJJ made for a very small person in one-on-one fights..... Helio couldn't do the TJJ throws because he was too small, so he made some crazy groundwork.

hmm..thanks for the info...i had no idea...

[TylerDurden]

Originally Posted by BadgerFu57

more effective at NHB? BJJ.
Street effectiveness? Varies. I am sure a lot of sport jiu-jitsu schools don't teach any self-defense. Half-guard sweeps are cool and all, but seriously, they aren't practical when some thug is beating you down. I think TJJ could be great depending on the school.

Judo which is kinda a modernized TJJ has fared well against BJJ in NHB.... and I know a few gracies have black belts in Judo. Also, don't forget, BJJ is just TJJ made for a very small person in one-on-one fights..... Helio couldn't do the TJJ throws because he was too small, so he made some crazy groundwork.

That's not entirely accurate, don't forget Carlson Sr. and his contribution. BJJ was part TJJ, part Judo and part wrestling. Count Koma, the man who taught the Gracie's, was a champion submission fighter with years of experience. He taught based on what he used. The Gracie brothers refined this further, focusing on things that could be used again and again in practice at full speed and applied in actual fights.

Were TJJ has alot of small joint locks, finger locks and wrist locks, BJJ and Judo both moved away from these techniques and focused on the larger locked and chokes (arm, shoulder, knee and ankle techniques). Why you might ask? Simple, because sparring at full speed is the key. If you spar full speed with finger locks, people get broken fingers. But its not practical to try and apply a technique for the first time when someone is trying to knock you out.

So actually BJJ is a refined version of TJJ, but its definitely its own art. It's not TJJ for small people, in fact finger and wrist locks are ideal for a smaller person because they take no strength at all (fingers break REAL easy).

[Tiger Claw]

which is better for street? I honestly have no option to go into a nhb tournament (have a mild case of hemophilia a)The guy said that one of the gracies (forgot the name) trained with them for a bit (guess they stopped over at his dojo while being in our area). I was shown alot of ground work and submissions. I think they are starting at my school next week. I gotta check out the board tomorrow.

[TylerDurden]

You will get alot of differing opinions on whats better for the street. For me it comes down to one thing, do you spar full speed. If you don't how can you know how something works on a resisting opponent. BJJ is effective becuase you do just that. So unless you find a TJJ school that has full speed sparring (very dangerous with small joint locks. Fingers break easily) I would stick with BJJ.