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Bjjexpertise@be · 02-26-2004, 08:20 AM

How many of you actually unbalance people in clinches? Does it make taking them down easier? What methods of unbalancing do you guys use? I ask because whenever I try a takedown from a clinch, I have a hard time because the other guy keeps moving his legs and is making it difficult to take him down.

Water Dragon · 02-26-2004, 09:22 AM

What type of clinch?

How are you trying to unbalance them?

What type of takedowns are you attempting?

TylerDurden · 02-26-2004, 10:43 AM

Don't try to for them to unbalance, let them unbalance themselves. Lean in a little, if they push back then they are off balance and ready to be thrown. If they lean away, they are ready to be swept. Play off what they give you.

kengar · 02-26-2004, 12:15 PM

Not to be a wise-ass, but to take someone down don't they have to be off balanced?

Quote:

I have a hard time because the other guy keeps moving his legs and is making it difficult to take him down.

Hook his leg with your foot or use a reap.

Disclaimer: I am not a BJJ player.

Bjjexpertise@be · 02-26-2004, 04:49 PM

Quote:

What type of clinch?

How are you trying to unbalance them?

What type of takedowns are you attempting?
__________________

That is what I'm trying to ask you.
So you don't suggest that I try to push or pull them tounbalance but to check their stance for flaws?
And kengar, they don't necessarily have to be unbalanced first, unbalancing just makes it easier. For instance, a double leg takedown can be done with them in full balance.

Water Dragon · 02-26-2004, 05:20 PM

If he clinches you with a standard neck and collar tie:
1. grab the crook of the elbow that's on your neck (from the outside) and pull it into your chest to trap that arm.
2. Break the grip that he has on your arm and push up into that side armpit with your free hand.

(steps 2 and 3 will load his weight into one foot)

From here you can step thru with a reap, sweep the weighted leg, or turn your back and throw him over your leg.

OR

1. Drive in under the arm that has your neck and take the underhook (grab the back of his neck)
2. Step to the side so you hae one foot on either side of his leg.
3. Pull hard on the other arm to 'wrap him up' and prevent him from fighting back effectively
4. Work for the hip toss or Ho Ti kick out (Uchimata)

Oh! You can also throw a Thai roundhouse to the leg, plant the foot and then sweep the same leg. BAM-BAM!

From prumb
1. snake one hand through the inside of his prumb and clamp down into the crook of his elbow
2. Use your other hand to push up oin his other elbow
3. Push up on the elbhow and pull down on the crook to break hius balance

from here you have the same options as the first example

Also for the prumb you can push up hard on both his elbows then DROP STRAIGHT DOWN (don't shoot) for a double or single.

Bjjexpertise@be · 02-26-2004, 05:27 PM

what's a prumb?

Water Dragon · 02-26-2004, 05:33 PM

Prumb=standard Thai Boxers clinch. aka the plumb

Bjjexpertise@be · 02-26-2004, 09:00 PM

You mean the overunderclinch? neck clinch? which one?

Water Dragon · 02-26-2004, 11:18 PM

Standard neck clinch. Over/Under sets you up more for hip throws and pick ups.

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02-26-2004, 08:20 AM	#1 (permalink)
Bjjexpertise@be Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: florida Posts: 2,023 Groans: 4 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	Kuzushi in Clinch How many of you actually unbalance people in clinches? Does it make taking them down easier? What methods of unbalancing do you guys use? I ask because whenever I try a takedown from a clinch, I have a hard time because the other guy keeps moving his legs and is making it difficult to take him down. __________________ Mike Brewer's 2008 Athleticon Challenge!!! 45563 Pushups Completed 45563 Situps Completed

02-26-2004, 09:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
Water Dragon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 136 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	What type of clinch? How are you trying to unbalance them? What type of takedowns are you attempting? __________________ Although there are many styles, they all rely on the strong beating the weak and the slow yielding to the fast. These are not related to the power which must be learned. -- The Taiji Classics

02-26-2004, 05:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
Water Dragon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 136 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If he clinches you with a standard neck and collar tie: 1. grab the crook of the elbow that's on your neck (from the outside) and pull it into your chest to trap that arm. 2. Break the grip that he has on your arm and push up into that side armpit with your free hand. (steps 2 and 3 will load his weight into one foot) From here you can step thru with a reap, sweep the weighted leg, or turn your back and throw him over your leg. OR 1. Drive in under the arm that has your neck and take the underhook (grab the back of his neck) 2. Step to the side so you hae one foot on either side of his leg. 3. Pull hard on the other arm to 'wrap him up' and prevent him from fighting back effectively 4. Work for the hip toss or Ho Ti kick out (Uchimata) Oh! You can also throw a Thai roundhouse to the leg, plant the foot and then sweep the same leg. BAM-BAM! From prumb 1. snake one hand through the inside of his prumb and clamp down into the crook of his elbow 2. Use your other hand to push up oin his other elbow 3. Push up on the elbhow and pull down on the crook to break hius balance from here you have the same options as the first example Also for the prumb you can push up hard on both his elbows then DROP STRAIGHT DOWN (don't shoot) for a double or single. __________________ Although there are many styles, they all rely on the strong beating the weak and the slow yielding to the fast. These are not related to the power which must be learned. -- The Taiji Classics

02-26-2004, 05:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
Bjjexpertise@be Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: florida Posts: 2,023 Groans: 4 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	what's a prumb? __________________ Mike Brewer's 2008 Athleticon Challenge!!! 45563 Pushups Completed 45563 Situps Completed

02-26-2004, 10:43 AM	#3 (permalink)
TylerDurden Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 161 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don't try to for them to unbalance, let them unbalance themselves. Lean in a little, if they push back then they are off balance and ready to be thrown. If they lean away, they are ready to be swept. Play off what they give you.

02-26-2004, 05:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
Water Dragon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 136 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Prumb=standard Thai Boxers clinch. aka the plumb __________________ Although there are many styles, they all rely on the strong beating the weak and the slow yielding to the fast. These are not related to the power which must be learned. -- The Taiji Classics

02-26-2004, 09:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
Bjjexpertise@be Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: florida Posts: 2,023 Groans: 4 Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post	You mean the overunderclinch? neck clinch? which one? __________________ Mike Brewer's 2008 Athleticon Challenge!!! 45563 Pushups Completed 45563 Situps Completed

02-26-2004, 11:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
Water Dragon Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 136 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Standard neck clinch. Over/Under sets you up more for hip throws and pick ups. __________________ Although there are many styles, they all rely on the strong beating the weak and the slow yielding to the fast. These are not related to the power which must be learned. -- The Taiji Classics

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