Strikers VS Grapplers

[oriental_kid]

Me and my friend decided we were gonna do some sparring. Me and him are about the same build. He's studies Wing Chun and has been for two years. I myself have been studying JKD for 6 weeks and did kickboxing for 2 years 5 years ago.
He would smack the hell out of me using his wing chun if I was to punch him etc. Too the main point, at the end of work me and him sparred. We were moving about waiting for an opening etc.......no contact had been made. At that point I decided to to just lunge in covering my head and hugged his waist and took him to the ground. He got me in a head lock as I lunged in but I locked his body to my body using the leg lock when we were on the ground. We grappled for a while and I almost got him into an armbar.
I learnt to take him down from an instructional video (Gracie Jui Jitsu) within 5 mins practicing on my brother. I also was practicing the armbar.

If he's been studying WC for two year and I've been studying the video for like 10mins, for me to take him down to the ground and grapple him kinda says something about grapplers. This may be a bold statement but I think I can truely say that a grappler will always win against a striker of the same skill. In a fight your aim is to beat the opponent whether on the ground or standing. In many threads on this forum there are post saying that BJJ has a disadvantage in stand up fighting, maybe so to you guys, it sounds like you guys dont like getting your clothes dirty because of the fact your grabbing your opponents body and taking him to the ground. I dont think that its even an issue saying that BJJ has a disadvantage in stand up fighting.

IMO study BJJ and WC.
If you dont like getting dirty on the ground use WC to trap the opponent but if you go to the ground you then apply BJJ. Simple as that.

Any ideas ?

[gregimotis]

Man, you said a lot in this post. I wasn't sure it was possible touch as many nerves as you just have. I think I'll just sit back a few minutes and see what happens...

[Szczepankiewicz]

This may be a bold statement but I think I can truely say that a grappler will always win against a striker of the same skill.

I wouldn't say it was a bold statement at all.

What's the word I'm looking for..... oh, yes, it is an ignorant statement that takes me back to the heyday of the BJJ craze...

What you learned in 10 minutes can defeat someone who's had 2 years of WC training. Great! What I know about opening my pocket knife in 30 seconds can defeat your 10 minutes.

I suggest you do a little more reading and a little less posting.

Simple as that.

[oriental_kid]

No its not an ingnorant statement I think it is true because its works. Lets put weapons aside......one on one fight. You've studied BJJ your self. Now can you honestly say that you wont be able to take down a striker whos studied the same time and is of same size to you ?

[gregimotis]

We grappled for a while and I almost got him into an armbar.

By the way, you didn't finish the story...

[oriental_kid]

Yeah sorry my bad, I eventually got him into a reverse choke.

[Szczepankiewicz]

I think it is true because its works

Well hell man, I can't argue with logic like that.

Lets put weapons aside......one on one fight.

Oh, so you're talking in a purely sporting endeavor? Well, why didn't you say so!? I wholeheartedly agree with you then. Grappling will dominate most of the time in a grappling environment! Especially if your opponent doesn't know how to grapple and it's the second Tuesday of the month and the mats are soft and freshly cleaned!

BooYah Grandma: BJJ Kicks all ass!

[Thai Bri]

I do not believe the original post anyway.

[oriental_kid]

Sorry for not explaining well and my bad english. What I mean to say is eg a no weapons street fight, the grappler will always win ie YOU . I mean how often is it your likely for you to have a proper fight with another martial artist ? Martial artist have a sense of brotherhood (if you know what I mean).
We all know the average person cant fight, most just know to swing their arms etc. I hope I've made things clearer.

[oriental_kid]

What dont you believe ?

Originally Posted by Thai Bri

I do not believe the original post anyway.

[Thai Bri]

Any of it you pathetic little arse wipe. I too do not rate Wing Chun particularly highly. But that is after 12 months hard work in the art. But I have also studied hard in ground grappling methods. Enough to know that they cannot be learned by watching a video for 10 minutes.

[oriental_kid]

Is there any need to get rude, was I rude to you ? And yes you can learn a technique by watching a video. I studied and I applied. Maybe you dont like the fact that I nearly executed the move . 12 months and you dont rate the art highly, you couldnt apply the techniques or what ? Or was there never a situation where you could apply it. If your gonna reply dont be rude.

Originally Posted by Thai Bri

Any of it you pathetic little arse wipe. I too do not rate Wing Chun particularly highly. But that is after 12 months hard work in the art. But I have also studied hard in ground grappling methods. Enough to know that they cannot be learned by watching a video for 10 minutes.

[Nick]

Grappling will only have the edge if your opponent doesn't know how to react. YOU know what you're about to do, but the striker without any grappling knowledge won't and won't know to look out for a grab...

...now what happens if they keep you out with strikes? Or clinch with you and use elbows and knees?

Later...

[JaredExtreme]

Oriental Kid, the reason why your 10 minutes of BJJ worked against your friend is that a lot of traditional martial arts schools do not teach effective take-down defenses. This does NOT mean however that grappling is superior to striking. There are many strikers out there who know how to sprawl, get you in the clinch, and then let the knees and elbows start flying.

Also, your statement

"We all know the average person cant fight, most just know to swing their arms etc."

Is somewhat naive. The "average" person avoids fighting all together. If someone is persisting in trying to start a fight you with, chances are he has been in multiple fights before, and through these experiences, has acquired much more fighting skill than the average McDojo martial artist learns in 5 years. Therefore, the "average" fighter is anything BUT average. Perhaps he wrestled in highschool, maybe he took some boxing lessons as a kid, you just don't know. Treat anyone who is a trying to fight you as a black belt in both striking and grappling.

[IPON]

Originally Posted by oriental_kid

At that point I decided to to just lunge in covering my head and hugged his waist and took him to the ground. He got me in a head lock as I lunged in but I locked his body to my body using the leg lock when we were on the ground.

I have to agree with Bri, the story seems to have some holes. Seriously, you say you learned a moved from watching a tape for 5 minutes then you say you were practicing the move with your brother.

Back to the topic, yes, if a grappler can get a striker on the ground the striker is in trouble....but there are no gaurantees who will win. You taking your friend is not a performance of a grappling art. You just takled him and he did not puch, elbow, or kick you being polite. After 2 years a good wing chun person would not let you in the close or be taken off his base, especiallly with someone who does not shoot well. I am sure you caught him by suprise but my point is you are friends and he would not hurt you. if you did that to someone that was willing to injure to when you gave what was probably a not-so-good TD things would have been different