Favorite way to achieve takedown?

[keiths]

Whats your favorite way? Do you like to try clean smooth shoots, or just clinch and work from there, or what? I personally like to try and cut off the ring or cage, throw a few strikes and get them pinned against the ropes or fence. from there i try to press one leg inbetween both of theirs to keep them pinned, and drop down for a single and spin with it and take them down. anyways lets hear some of yours.

[rockinronnie]

If it's striking-related, I too throw a few shots (only to the body in Pankration I've been in), and when I get the clinch, I try an asoto-gary (sp-hip throw), or a shoulder throw. I like the single and double leg takedowns, however, only if it's wrestling - if it's anything else I usually get caught in a guillotine choke when I shoot, so I avoid those takedowns like the plague.

If and when the time comes that I enter a NHB fight, I've thought about using hand & feet strikes, and hopefully, this is all I will need to take my opponent down (and hopefully OUT). If that doesn't work, then in the clinch I would try a hip throw or a flying arm-bar from the standing position. ZSHOO-ZSHITSU!!!!

Ronnie.
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[Chop Wisby]

for takedowns, work on getting good grips, like the two-on-one from the outside line; or a one-on-one with your other hand holding the back of his belt (also from the outside line).

these are the kind of grips that russian judoka popularized, and sperry shows some of this stuff, too.

[Mako]

Ronnie,

Do you mean O Soto Gari? (major outside throw?) Where your right leg would sweep outside his right leg? That is a great throw, sport, NHB, street. Very cool technique.
Or do you mean the hip throw (O Goshi) where you have him loaded up on your hip?

Chop,

I totally agree. The one on one, and the using the far (the one on his sleeve) arm to hook the near leg for a single (and driving w/your head) is a great technique. I love that one.

[Jaguar Wong]

Roundhouse kick to the head





In all honesty, my takedowns really suck, so even though I'd prefer to shoot in for a low single, I usually end up trying to dodge my opponent's takedowns until I hit the mat then try desparately to get him into my guard. If I'm clinching, and I have some semblance of control, then I usually just trip them (keep the clinch high while I use my leg/hip to sweep their legs out). I also pull their upper body down while falling into the guard if I know their takedowns are better from the clinch. I figure that's where we're going anyways.

I used to do a lot of scissor leg takedowns, but then I started playing with actualy grapplers, and they use the opportunity to take the upper position, usually a sidemount, and keep me pinned. I guess I should start trying that again, now that I have some ground techniques...sort of. I'll keep practicing that until I can transition into a rolling kneebar.

[Ryu (non-working password]

Shooting is good only when you know the guy knows nothing or grappling. If you face off against a wrestler, and don't know it, and go for a shoot...well pray yours is extremely good I'm a bit afraid to do them in the street because if you miss it, you're in a real bad position. But then again, it's a big surprise too.
I don't compete in tournaments but have been in a few challenge matches and scuffles, and I've basically taken people down with ushiro goshi, and some "double legs" that were more around the waist and upper thighs. I don't really want to go to my knees when I shoot.

In my personal opinion, clinching is safer
Once there, my favorite moves are to switch behind them, ushiro goshi, ura nage or suplex (same thing almost) or a back sweep.

Take care,
Ryu

[YeLLa-TiGeR]

clinching is a reallll weakness when your a much smaller guy.

[Chop Wisby]

the smaller guy can clinch, but should probably do it from the outside line; as i mentioned above.

[Jaguar Wong]

yella, maybe you should pop up with a quick headbutt in clinching range before you attempt the takedown. Yes smaller guys are disadvantaged in the clinch (I'm in the middle, so I've been on both ends of the spectrum), but then again, it's hard for smaller guys to take bigger guys down no matter what technique you're using. The key is the set up. Make them think clinch then duck under take the back and drop them face first. Of course it's all just talk and theory comin' from me, cause I don't get to practice takedowns enough.