Style in the Martial Arts

[pstevens]

Since people are still talking about style vs. style, let me share my insight. A style is what a coach is to a basketball or football team. The style provides the plan and strategy, but the players must have the ability to execute. This is why I say style means very little, unless the person is athletic and has the ability to fight.

Phil Jackson's Triangle Offense is great... But it wouldn't have worked if he didn't have Michael Jordan and now Shaquille O'neal and Kobe Bryant. The same is true of martial arts. You can teach the most dangerous techniques in the world to someone, but if they're not athletically suited, they aren't going to make a whole lot of difference.

This is why I don't buy the idea that just because you're a BJJ player, you can fight. I've experienced it first-hand with other students and myself. When I first joined BJJ, I used my size and strength to beat people who had been doing it for years. When I tried MMA/NHB I got beaten by people who didn't do BJJ for more than one year, but were stronger and more athletic.

Everyone keeps insisting that Royce was weaker this, smaller that... Maybe, but he already had the training that was specific to that event. Besides, he was as conditioned if not more so than most contestants too.

I'm not knocking BJJ... I do it myself and it's great... I'm just tired of the loudmouths who think they wear a blue belt and the rest of the world is toast. That's simply not true.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by pstevens

Since people are still talking about style vs. style, let me share my insight. A style is what a coach is to a basketball or football team. The style provides the plan and strategy, but the players must have the ability to execute. This is why I say style means very little, unless the person is athletic and has the ability to fight.

This is why I don't buy the idea that just because you're a BJJ player, you can fight. I've experienced it first-hand with other students and myself. When I first joined BJJ, I used my size and strength to beat people who had been doing it for years. When I tried MMA/NHB I got beaten by people who didn't do BJJ for more than one year, but were stronger and more athletic.

I'm not knocking BJJ... I do it myself and it's great... I'm just tired of the loudmouths who think they wear a blue belt and the rest of the world is toast. That's simply not true.

Why is this such a stressfull issue for you?

Who cares what a BJJ bluebelt says?

Focus on your own training.

[CKD]

Originally Posted by pstevens

Since people are still talking about style vs. style, let me share my insight. A style is what a coach is to a basketball or football team. The style provides the plan and strategy, but the players must have the ability to execute. This is why I say style means very little, unless the person is athletic and has the ability to fight.

Phil Jackson's Triangle Offense is great... But it wouldn't have worked if he didn't have Michael Jordan and now Shaquille O'neal and Kobe Bryant. The same is true of martial arts. You can teach the most dangerous techniques in the world to someone, but if they're not athletically suited, they aren't going to make a whole lot of difference.

This is why I don't buy the idea that just because you're a BJJ player, you can fight. I've experienced it first-hand with other students and myself. When I first joined BJJ, I used my size and strength to beat people who had been doing it for years. When I tried MMA/NHB I got beaten by people who didn't do BJJ for more than one year, but were stronger and more athletic.

Everyone keeps insisting that Royce was weaker this, smaller that... Maybe, but he already had the training that was specific to that event. Besides, he was as conditioned if not more so than most contestants too.

I'm not knocking BJJ... I do it myself and it's great... I'm just tired of the loudmouths who think they wear a blue belt and the rest of the world is toast. That's simply not true.

If style doesn't matter than how come you trash bjj if it does not matter?

[m.artist]

Originally Posted by pstevens

Since people are still talking about style vs. style, let me share my insight. A style is what a coach is to a basketball or football team. The style provides the plan and strategy, but the players must have the ability to execute. This is why I say style means very little, unless the person is athletic and has the ability to fight.

Phil Jackson's Triangle Offense is great... But it wouldn't have worked if he didn't have Michael Jordan and now Shaquille O'neal and Kobe Bryant. The same is true of martial arts. You can teach the most dangerous techniques in the world to someone, but if they're not athletically suited, they aren't going to make a whole lot of difference.

This is why I don't buy the idea that just because you're a BJJ player, you can fight. I've experienced it first-hand with other students and myself. When I first joined BJJ, I used my size and strength to beat people who had been doing it for years. When I tried MMA/NHB I got beaten by people who didn't do BJJ for more than one year, but were stronger and more athletic.

Everyone keeps insisting that Royce was weaker this, smaller that... Maybe, but he already had the training that was specific to that event. Besides, he was as conditioned if not more so than most contestants too.

I'm not knocking BJJ... I do it myself and it's great... I'm just tired of the loudmouths who think they wear a blue belt and the rest of the world is toast. That's simply not true.

i understand what your saying and completly agree
i thrash on tkd quite a bit...but im sure that are good practioners of it
good post friend

[shasan]

I think pstevens is cool.

[avelocci]

pstevens isn't just cool hes completely right. CKD what he's trying to say is sure some styles are more applicable than others (such as BJJ and MT) but in the end it really comes down to the person. Think about it like this. You teach a 7 year old kid BJJ and then teach a 21-year-old athletic man with good power TKD who is gonna win? A style can only help you so much, the rest is up to you.

Sincerly,
Andrew Velocci

[CKD]

Originally Posted by avelocci

pstevens isn't just cool hes completely right. CKD what he's trying to say is sure some styles are more applicable than others (such as BJJ and MT) but in the end it really comes down to the person. Think about it like this. You teach a 7 year old kid BJJ and then teach a 21-year-old athletic man with good power TKD who is gonna win? A style can only help you so much, the rest is up to you.

Sincerly,
Andrew Velocci

Actually there was a thread here a while ago with a man that studied some form of striking getting beat by a small 13 year old using BJJ. If the 13 year old boy was pracitcing a striking art and decided to trade blows with him the result would have been different. Just like if Royce entered the UFC with muay thai he would have gotten killed trading strikes with people that bigger than him. We all knwo that styles can not comphenscate for all weaknesses in a person. It can do most but not the very extreme one like a 7 year old vs a 21 year old. But bashing arts is not the way to prove his point.

[IPON]

Originally Posted by CKD

But bashing arts is not the way to prove his point.

I don't see it as pstevens bashing BJJ the the concept or ignorance of some of the practicioners. He is venting about Blue belts but it would probably apply to any belt (and obviously not just BJJ)

[Tom Yum]

I think pstevens is annoyed by Gracie warship, no doubt. It would be annoying if your classmates used the word Gracie 20+ times in the gym; I think he needs to switch gyms and is bitter about something - a disagreement or something, maybe a controversial loss/win

[Nothingness]

Some might think that it is a major fork in someone's way of life: either it is the time to kick some blue belt's butt or hold the peace forever

Of course, some can joke around too, right?

[shasan]

I still think he's cool.












pssst... I'm joking.

[CKD]

When it comes to style vs style threads I just think this
Kung fu
http://www.game-revolution.com/games..._chaos_sho.jpg
vs
BJJ Rickson Gracie
http://rickson.com/vt95/images/yamamoto-0.jpg
Who would win? This is how I figure out these style vs style threads

[Nothingness]

Basking in Reflected Glory (BIRGing). Tying one's self-esteem to the success of one's idol. Look for the psychology research for details.

Just because one learns BJJ doesn't mean that s/he is as good as Royce Gracie.

Granted, Royce Gracie is very good. However, not everyone learning BJJ is a superman.

[sherwinc]

Originally Posted by pstevens

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KungFu is Categorized as a Style and a System.......

Snake Style KungFu is classified as a STYLE

WingChun KungFu is classified as a SYSTEM

TaiChiChuan KungFu is classified as both a STYLE and a SYSTEM

but Non-KungFu such as:
1. Muay Thai is classified as a SPORT

any comment?????

[m.artist]

i believe you can only classify something when you know how good you are at it
if it works for you, then it's self defense
if your good at competition, then it's sport
if it doesn't work at all
then find a new hobby