Go Back   Deluxe Martial Arts Forums > Martial Arts > Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) & BJJ Forum

Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) & BJJ Forum Discuss the extremely effective art of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, No-Holds-Barred and Mixed Martial Arts with experts worldwide.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 07-16-2004, 11:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 152
Ronson is on a distinguished road
Default Martial Arts: Training Specificity

In exercise and sports science, there is this scientific principle called training specificity. Simply put, if you want to get good or improve in a certain ability or skill, one's training should encorporate the actual skills involved and/or subsets within it. If want a bigger bench press, train using actual bench press equipment and increase resistance incrementally. Makes sense right?
Then how come some people can't use that same reasoning with the effectiveness of Martial Arts. They hold on to tradition (not saying tradition in itself is bad), conjecture, and unsubstantiated 3rd person information.

Haters always say, "yeah but MMA isn't real fighting." But that's all they really say and offer no real answer/solution to real fighting training. If you use the principle of specificity, MMA training is "as real as it gets," and most closely resembles "real fighting." Is it perfect? No. But it's the best and most documented and sensible litmus test to what will hold up in combat. It's becoming harder and harder to convince informed people that training the "deady/dirty" techniques with predetermined outcomes and non-resisting/static opponents is going to be effective against a skilled opponent.

Then the haters will say, "what about MMA'ers and multiple opponents?" I see time and time again this knock, yet they offer no viable answer to multiples themselves. How in the blue hell are you gonnna handle 2 plus attackers if you can't even handle one? Shite, I'll put my money on Couture, V. Silva, Ortiz, or BJ Penn versus multiples over some "Master" in multiples whose training consists of attacks coming at him one at a time.

What about weapons? The same principle applies. Weapons training should be "as real as it gets" and I think people like the "Dog Brothers" have it right. This is an area where I'll admit MMA training is lacking.
Ronson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2004, 02:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
Premiere Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 5,423
Thai Bri has a spectacular aura aboutThai Bri has a spectacular aura aboutThai Bri has a spectacular aura about
Default

But doesn't Kata offer a realistic way to train against realistic opponents?


BWAHAHAHAHHA
Thai Bri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2004, 04:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 2,015
darrianation is a jewel in the roughdarrianation is a jewel in the roughdarrianation is a jewel in the rough
Default

Specificity is very important in sports, it is also important for military training, as well as self-defense.

The Principle of Specificity:

The Specificity Principle simply states that training must go from highly general training to highly specific training.

Or in other words the skill being learned needs to be explicit to it’s application. A runner has to run, A shot putter has to throw the shot put, a fighter has to fight.

Throwing punches in the air all day is not specific to fighting, Kata is not specific to fighting, pre-arranged cooperative drills are not specific to fighting. Much of the training performed in the TMAs is highly general training and not specific.
__________________
In hills, as well as in villages and cities, hazards and predators find those who walk backwards.- Ezekiel Sanchez
darrianation is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2004, 05:54 PM   #4 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 207
kiddbjj will become famous soon enoughkiddbjj will become famous soon enough
Default

i agree.
the problem is that MA gets over intellectualised. specificity is just a big word for common sense.

if you want to hit something hard and with accuracy, then train for it eg. focus mitts, thai pads, heavy bag and sparring.

if you want to defend against real shots, do it, eg. gear up and take shots from a partner

obviously you have to be walked through the mechanics of punching and defending first in a slow manner but the goal is to work at a task specific pace, fight pace. and really the techniques that u are shown are really only the physical moves and body of knowledge for that particular style that other people have found to be useful. you will quickly find out if they work the same for you or not if you pressure test them. the sorry part is that many arts don't allow themselves to be properly pressure tested. you don't have to kill each other or even knock each other out, just turn up the pressure cooker a little and see what happens to your fine motor skills.
kiddbjj is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My Martial Arts General Knowledge Test John Bennett Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) & BJJ Forum 23 08-18-2005 11:19 PM
What to look for when considering taking martial arts?Why MMA over Traditional Arts? MuayThaiFighter Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) & BJJ Forum 35 06-20-2004 04:27 AM
Core Training Fundamentals for Martial Artists edouble Fitness, Nutrition and Training Forum 0 11-10-2003 08:45 PM
women and martial arts platinum_angel Women's Counter-Offensive Discussion Forum 76 06-25-2003 02:37 PM
the fallacy of martial arts (very long) eXcessiveForce Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) & BJJ Forum 18 06-09-2003 12:06 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:41 PM.

These are the 100 most searched terms
Search Cloud
best folding knife best karate style best training songs boxing routine bruce lee diet bruce lee mma bruce lee ufc california knife laws charles lewis tapout chicago mma combat ki contender kickboxer contender kickboxing defend.net deluxe martial arts does bowflex work dwayne johnson workout emin boztepe flicker jab flicker jabs gene simco gym names how to slow down your metabolism jammed toe kava maga kickboxing vs muay thai krav maga calgary krav maga mma kubatan martial art forum martial arts forum martial arts forums mike tyson vs bob sapp muay boran muay thai conditioning muay thai tattoo muay thai tattoos muay thai vs boxing ninjitsui paul vunak rockson gracie roy jones jr workout scared to fight stronger punch the contender kickboxer the contender kickboxing tommy carruthers training songs ultimate fighter song www.defend.net ... powered by Simple Search Cloud


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5
Template-Modifications by TMS
© Copyright 1996-2003, Mousel's Self-Defense Academy