RMAX is a new 'notion' of martial art for the West

[James Lee]

All I'm saying is that by the article I read, the author seems to say he's created something new that teaches people to create their own techniques and methods. If he believes that, then his research is incomplete. Lots of instructors teach students how to study motion, how to experiment with their own movement, and how to tailor techniques to suit them specifically..

I dont think that those two sentences match. Scott isnt teaching people how to adapt or tailor techniques. Hes showing them how to create them from scratch without somebody elses techniques necessary. You have allot of experience so since your obviously a high ranking guy you know about Matt Larsen's program at Fort Benning. Matt talks about using Scott's methods for the US Army combatives school. I first found out about him on the back of Scotts clubbell book. Maybe you could talk to him to find out what it means?

[James Lee]

Mike well from what I read he is saying that you are creating new techniques thats the formula but I have never trained with Scott and dont know for sure what that even means. Scott also put out a challenge on his forum saying that he challenges anyone to prove that they can replicate the same technique twice since no two movements are ever teh same so maybe hes saying more along the lines what your saying that hes teaching some kind of princple formula and then in drills you have to apply that knowledge to the situation.
Have you seen the trailer to his new movie? http://www.circularstrengthmag.com/i...orktrailer.mov I think it pretty much answers any questions I had. Its amazing demosntration of "adapt, improvise overcome."

[NYCMonkey]

I'm not commenting on the effectiveness of RMAX at all until I personally train in it myself, and that day may never come. Hypothesis and assumptions from behind a keyboard don't mean anything. However, I may have read into this wrong, but adaptability and improvisation are the most basic fundamentals of any good combat/fighting/self-defense 'style, system' or whatever you may want to call it. I just saw the video, and am assuming it's so light because it's a 'softwork' drill right (haven't read about their methodology in these posts or their site).

[James Lee]

Ive never read any approach before that said that they teach you how to create technique specifically from and for you and never read anything before about "how to create your own style." From what all the people on scotts forum are saying "softwork is harder than it looks" and that theres nothing "light" about it. They were taking full force shots with strikes, kicks and even heavy sticks. maybe cuz it doesnt look like anything anyone else is doing people try to understand it by saying its already been done before but without having trained it in personally theres no way to know and its all just personal theory.

[James Lee]

I definitely see your point but until you actually see RMAX you wont understand. Visually its obviously something new.

[doubleouch]

I think you're right Mike. It is similar to Straight Blast Gym. We invented their own terminology and training methods that give us a bit of a unique nitche. We don't claim to teach any techniques that you won't find elsewhere, but we stand by our training methods and market them as distinct and different from others out there. It's just a matter of flavor right? My favorite Chinese restaurant makes the same Kung Pao chicken as everywhere else, but they spice it up in a way that suits my palette. Scott's emphasis on improvisation is interesting. He probably uses it more than most and integrates it as more of an important part of his curriculum than most. The video clip was nice, but it was mostly compliant partners using some unrealistic techniques. Can't judge by that however since alot of people put flashy type stuff in promotional videos.

[James Lee]

Have you read the article comparing SBG and RMAX? It's pretty interesting! http://www.circularstrengthmag.com/f...pic.php?t=3683

[James Lee]

That seems like a very fair assessment though I havent seen anyones marketing that HASNT turned me off!

Though I did read on scotts forum that he has been really unhappy with the marketing company thats been promoting his stuff and he's leaving htem for a his completely own new website without any marketing company.

[doubleouch]

James,
Could you cut and paste the article? I don't have a membership to the forum and don't really want one. Thanks!

[James Lee]

Actually if you dont want one then I doubt it would be appropriate of me to cut and paste the guys article.

[doubleouch]

Sorry James,
If it's a magazine article then I see your point. I thought it was just a forum post however.

[James Lee]

Its from the "Member Article" section, so it's just for people who join. Thanks for understanding. I dont want to piss anyone off over there cuz I intend to start training in RMAX.

[kengar]

Sonnon was a Sombo champ long before he started RMAX wasn't he? And doesn't that vid look just like every other vid of Systema? I as well just don't follow the thought of anyone creating new techniques. I'm not saying anything negative about his training, just don't grasp the logic behind what is said.

Clubbells, can someone give some detail on the training; fun, great fitness, etc...? Sounds interesting.

[CKD]

Sonnon was a Sombo champ long before he started RMAX wasn't he? And doesn't that vid look just like every other vid of Systema? I as well just don't follow the thought of anyone creating new techniques. I'm not saying anything negative about his training, just don't grasp the logic behind what is said.

Clubbells, can someone give some detail on the training; fun, great fitness, etc...? Sounds interesting.

Yes Sonnon was a sambo champ before RMAX. He got into it when he faced a Russian sambo champ and got beat. He asked the person what is your secret and the russian said better training. Then Sonnon met the master of ROSS learned it and then made the RMAX association to train it.

[JasonE]

Sonnon was a Sombo champ long before he started RMAX wasn't he? And doesn't that vid look just like every other vid of Systema? I as well just don't follow the thought of anyone creating new techniques. I'm not saying anything negative about his training, just don't grasp the logic behind what is said.

I'm not familiar with Systema. In truth, I'm pretty new to Scott's combative methods. What I do know is that I haven't learned any fighting techniques from Scott, and at the Softwork seminar I did some stuff I've never seen anyone do in real life.[I've got 13 yrs of training in multiple styles under my belt.] I'm sure someone has names for all the things I did, but at the time I was simply moving and letting those things happen. I *believe* that is what Scott means when he says that people learn how to create new techniques.

Clubbells, can someone give some detail on the training; fun, great fitness, etc...? Sounds interesting.

I am quite familiar with Clubbells and Circular Strength Training, and am a certified CST instructor. Ask your questions and I'll be happy to answer. If you start a new thread, we won't have to hijack this one.