Evading or breaking the headlock

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Originally Posted by Tant01

Sorry but the trachea is a tough organ that will pinch off a straw.

Isn't that the reason for needing the knife? I'm not sure where you're planning on inserting your straw, coke can, pen, ect.

[medic06]

My bad. . . . .

[Tant01]

[QUOTE=Jeremy Lobdell][QUOTE=Devin]People wrap their elbows around my brain and squeeze and I can't get out of it cause I've got a goddamn big head.

Tant01- doesn't say anything about being CHOKED, does it.

Last edited by Jeremy Lobdell : 12-28-2004 at 04:38 PM. Reason: to(o) negative



I read the unedited version Jeremy. Nice to know what you really think!

I was playing with knives when you were learning how to walk. While I practiced balistic cutting you were cutting teeth. I was learning Judo when you were learning to use the potty.... Get the idea? Headlock or choke? Either one can break your neck! I couldn't care less whose big head gets stuck where. All I wanted to do was share another lesser known Japanese name for a technique mentioned by a BJJ student.
I already responded to the original post and without further info from him it's useless to speculate how his "big head" gets into those tight spots. Of course, you're the expert on THAT.

If you didn't get my e-mail(s) let me know, feel free to PM any personal comments you care to share. Straight up! Be a (real) man. I'm not too proud to learn if you think you're all that? Maybe my mistake was in thinking you were an artist?

All the very best!


Raymond G.

[Tom Yum]

Hey Tant0, when did you get your black belt in judo?

Are you who I think you are (dabbled in pro-Wrestling) ?

[koto_ryu]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Lobdell

I guess that works, as far as Hollywood goes. In reality, most pens are to constrictive at the end to allow enough air to flow through. If a normal straw is tough enough to pass liquid through, and you can breath through it without collapsing it, it shouldn't be a real problem.

Whenever you break it open, you pull out the guts and break off the black part and you have a nice long white tube thats a lot tougher than a straw.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Tom Yum

Hey Tant0, when did you get your black belt in judo?

Are you who I think you are (dabbled in pro-Wrestling) ?

*82. No sir. I be a little 5-8" amatuer.

[HtTKar]

Not trying to get anyone off track here, but chokes don't actually restrict blood flow to the brain. They restrict flow through the veins, not the arteries. Arterial flow is extraordinarily high pressure, especially through the neck, and it's damned difficult to stop using any kind of pressure.

Ok, to get off topic
Since Devin isn't updating the thread with the position of the headlock he's in.

Actually restricting flow through the arteries is not that hard. The carotid arteries are so sensitive that doctors and nurses are not allowed to check your blood pressure on both sides at once. Even that little bit of pressure is enough strangle someone. Reference below shows that it only takes 5kg of pressure to strangle someone against the carotid arteries. It takes 32lbs of pressure to choke someone out.

For reference

http://tkdtutor.com/09Techniques/Chokes/ChokeInfo.htm
Strangles: Strangles are applied to the one or both of the carotid arteries at the side of the neck. Strangles are used to reduce or stop blood flow through the arteries to cause the person to feel faint or pass out. Forensic literature says that to kill a person by interrupting blood flow to thebrain, you need to hold pressure for minimum two minutes, although the person may blackout much sooner. If applied to a person under stress during a struggle, a strangle may make the person unconscious almost immediately, while it may take several seconds for a calm person to pass out. Reay and Eisele's 1983 article in the American Journal of Forensic Pathology "Death from law enforcement neck holds" states that with the judo-derived police carotid sleeper hold, blood flow to the head is reduced by an average of 85% in approximately six seconds.

Pressure to the carotids is applied to the lateral side of the neck which the anatomists call the "carotid triangle". This triangle is formed by the midline, anteriorly (front) from the apex of the chin to the upper part of the sternum (breast bone), superiorly (above) by the line formed by the lower border of the mandible (lower jaw bone) and posteriorly (behind) by the anterior border of the sternocleidomastoid muscle (strap muscle between the clavicle and to the bone of the skull behind the ear). In the center of this triangle are the common carotid artery and branches, the carotid bodies, internal jugular vein, vagus nerve and branches, superior laryngeal nerve, and cervical sympathetic trunk. No strong muscle protects this area.

Overlying this superior carotid triangle is only skin, superficial fascia which usually are thin although there may be an appreciable amount of subcutaneous fat. Within the superficial fascia is an exceedingly thin (paper-thin) muscle, platysma muscle, which begins in the tela subcutaneous over the upper part of the thorax, passes over the clavicle (collar bone), and runs upward and somewhat medially in the neck and across the mandible to blend with superficially located facial muscles. The platysma muscle has no very important action, but will wrinkle transversely the skin of the neck and help to open the mouth. This muscle does not protect the underlying vital structures.

The pressure is applied in a certain manner, depending upon the technique, directly on these structures. It may be the fist or the collar of any clothing. Very often it is the pressure of the distal end of the radius and the wrist which compresses the soft structures of the neck. Neck pressure of 250 mm of Hg or 5 kg of rope tension is required to occlude carotid arteries. The amount of pressure to collapse the airway is six times greater.

[medic06]

Originally Posted by HtTKar

. The carotid arteries are so sensitive that doctors and nurses are not allowed to check your blood pressure on both sides at once.

I think you mean check a pulse. At the charity hospital where I lived a young resident once checked a carotid pulse on an elderly patient and the patient had a stroke. Apparently a bit of atherosclerotic plaque broke off from the area he palpated and occluded a major artery in his brain.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Originally Posted by Tant01

Last edited by Jeremy Lobdell : 12-28-2004 at 04:38 PM. Reason: to(o) negative



I read the unedited version Jeremy. Nice to know what you really think!

I was playing with knives when you were learning how to walk. While I practiced balistic cutting you were cutting teeth. I was learning Judo when you were learning to use the potty.... Get the idea? Headlock or choke? Either one can break your neck! I couldn't care less whose big head gets stuck where. All I wanted to do was share another lesser known Japanese name for a technique mentioned by a BJJ student.
I already responded to the original post and without further info from him it's useless to speculate how his "big head" gets into those tight spots. Of course, you're the expert on THAT.

If you didn't get my e-mail(s) let me know, feel free to PM any personal comments you care to share. Straight up! Be a (real) man. I'm not too proud to learn if you think you're all that? Maybe my mistake was in thinking you were an artist?

All the very best!


Raymond G.

I have no problem telling you or anyone else what I think, but there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. I find myself getting too negative sometimes, therefore the need to edit. I'm not sure what e-mail you're referring to, if I didn't recognize it, it was deleated. I simply find this, and your attempts to pump yourself up on a forum hysterical. People who want to use time refrences to talk down to someone else must be trying to cover up for a lack of something, maybe it's quality? Who knows? Maybe training more will help you get your agression out. It's great that you want to share the japanese-judo names of techniques for things. Your only mistake is thinking that no one else knows them. I'd use them too, if this was in the Japanese ma forum.
As far as the neck break thing, how many necks have you broken? There is only one way (trick) to breaking someones neck, no matter what is taught. Not something that's really easy to practice to completion, is it?
Good luck to you, I'm glad you're here to give your point of view on things.
All the best - Jeremy

[HtTKar]

I think you mean check a pulse.

Correct. My error.
Could you imagine them trying to check your blood pressure on your neck? lol

Thanks for the correction.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Lobdell

I have no problem telling you or anyone else what I think, but there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. I find myself getting too negative sometimes....

I simply find this, and your attempts to pump yourself up on a forum hysterical. People who want...to talk down to someone else must be trying to cover up for a lack of something, maybe it's quality? Who knows? .....

...

"Stupid moron! Get a clue. Worthless punk". JL?


Stupid moron?


yeah, hysterical....

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Still don't know what you're talking about, but "get a grip".

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Lobdell

Still don't know what you're talking about, but "get a grip".

Jeremy ignore these Bums. I've followed your dialogue since I've been here and you are a real pro. Don't lower yourself to someone else's level. Trollin is always gonna be on the internet. Just keep responding to serious martial artists.

Bowing Out

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Originally Posted by Hardball

Jeremy ignore these Bums. I've followed your dialogue since I've been here and you are a real pro. Don't lower yourself to someone else's level. Trollin is always gonna be on the internet. Just keep responding to serious martial artists.

Bowing Out

Thanks bro, much appreciated! I always enjoy reading your posts! Good stuff.

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Lobdell

Still don't know what you're talking about, but "get a grip".

Please accept my apology Mr. L.



Evidently I have an anonymous critic...