A really good read about pre-emptively hitting.

[sdizier]

If you want to read if a guy is going to attack you the best advice I can give is to read a book by Geoff Thompson called 'watch my back' about a normal guy (i.e him) who becomes a bouncer. I got it from lawofthefist.com/Watch_my_Back.html

During most of the book he takes people out by pre-emptively hitting them.....normally leading to a knock out.

He states that there are lots of ways to determine if a guy is going to fight no matter what, but the best one is:

He puts his hands up at shoulder level reaching forwards towards the aggressor....like he's trying to calm them down (he will even touch them at this time to see if they have any weapons). If they push into his out streched arms once, he tries to calm them again or threatens them into backing down. If they push into his hands twice he considers there to be no way out with out a fight, so takes them out.

If you have already read it what was your oppionion to this methodolgy?

[academian]

sound like a sucker punch to me the only problem is he tries to put his hands on the person first( not just once but twice before the chump strike) Big mistake!!! Unless of course they ARE suckers

[joedoe]

Originally Posted by sdizier

If you want to read if a guy is going to attack you the best advice I can give is to read a book by Geoff Thompson called 'watch my back' about a normal guy (i.e him) who becomes a bouncer. I got it from lawofthefist.com/Watch_my_Back.html

During most of the book he takes people out by pre-emptively hitting them.....normally leading to a knock out.

He states that there are lots of ways to determine if a guy is going to fight no matter what, but the best one is:

He puts his hands up at shoulder level reaching forwards towards the aggressor....like he's trying to calm them down (he will even touch them at this time to see if they have any weapons). If they push into his out streched arms once, he tries to calm them again or threatens them into backing down. If they push into his hands twice he considers there to be no way out with out a fight, so takes them out.

If you have already read it what was your oppionion to this methodolgy?

When he says 'push into his outstretched arms' does he mean they step forward into them? Or push his hands away with their hands?

[sdizier]

Don't forget this is in the bar scene when patronts are often drunk and out of control. These people are causing trouble already.

[sdizier]

Don't forget that he is a bouncer in the bar scene. Every situation he talks about is one where the person is causing trouble already.

sdizier

[Tim Jones]

The hands thing being referred to is the 'Fence'... basically just having the hands up in a non-agressive manner if you think something is about to kick off. Definitely a good idea - means your hands are already up and ready PLUS your opponent won't be able to push right up to you and headbutt...

The touching once or twice thing was explained to me this way: imagine the whole thing is being recorded on security camera (probably is if you're a bouncer). Security cameras don't record sound, so it's not going to record your attempts to verbally defuse the situation - what it will record though is your hands raised in a calming manner and your opponent deliberately advancing into them before you did anything.

2c

[Hardball]

I've seen security cameras that record sound. IMHO, pre-emptive strikes are a good way to get Shot. It happens all the time, Bouncers getting shot or stabbed.

Sorry to rain on your parade but It's the truth.

[Tant01]

Jeoff Thompson is first a salesman and a HIGHLY motivated self improvement Guro. I think his articles are usefull and contribute to the overall understanding of conflict in general. His methods are proven effective (for HIM) and are worthy of serious consideration, IMHO.

I've been teaching pre-emptive tactics for at least the last 14 years and so far as I know none of my "students" have been hurt fighting, shot or arrested.

[academian]

restraint techniques are much more effective. (just my opinion)

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by academian

restraint techniques are much more effective. (just my opinion)

Sure, after they're on the ground you can stand on their head....Zip ties anyone?

[academian]

I mean professional restraint techniques. In a real confrontation It doesnt matter how good you can fight what matters Is how well you can control your opponents movement There is no substitute for "Pain compliance"

[Thai Bri]

Except on people who are not feeling pain. Like the drunken or drugged customers at clubs for example. Clubs were bouncers work........

Pain compliance can work. But you have to be amazingly good at getting the hold on to begin with and, like I said, the guy has to actually feel it enough to comply with it. But knock them out? Then it matters not what they take, nor how tough they are.

Geoff Thompson has his own forum on www.geoffthompson.com It is a great place to learn about self protection, as well as self improvement.

[academian]

I Guess you are right if a person had enough drugs in their system they wouldnt feel any pain regardless of the hold and would probally rip up their joints trying to get loose.Thank you That is a good point that i had not considered