Kapu Kiualua and pentak silat

[lude17]

Im a black belt in tae kwon do and ive recently started training in aikido but i was looking up different styles and i came across a couple styles that really interested me but i cant really find any info on them. if anyone knows where i can find info on kapu kiualua (hawaiin art of bone breaking) and pentak silat (Indonesian martial art stressing attacks to the body's weak points) that would be incredibly helpful. thank you.

[sikal]

Originally Posted by lude17

Im a black belt in tae kwon do and ive recently started training in aikido but i was looking up different styles and i came across a couple styles that really interested me but i cant really find any info on them. if anyone knows where i can find info on kapu kiualua (hawaiin art of bone breaking) and pentak silat (Indonesian martial art stressing attacks to the body's weak points) that would be incredibly helpful. thank you.

Actually, the name Pentjak Silat is an umbrella term that encompasses thousands of different systems of martial arts from southeast asia. Some do stress attacking the body's weak points. Others specialize in joint locking. Others in groundfighting. Others in balance disruption, sweeps and takedowns, etc. They cover the entire spectrum of martial arts.

Make sure to put the "j" in "pentjak" when searching for it. Or just search for "silat" or for "pencak silat" (which is pronounced the same way as "pentjak"). There's also Kuntao/Kun Tao/Kuntaw Silat (Kuntao, Kun Tao and Kuntaw imply Chinese influence in the system - Kuntao and Kun Tao are the common spellings from Indonesia and Kuntaw is one that's sometimes found in the southern Philippines.

Mike

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http://www.pencaksilat.com/links.html

Regards,

[haumana2000]

Kapu Kuialua as in Kui'alua of Hawaii? If your looking for Kazja of San Pedro Hawaiian fighting arts he only trains NHB fighters privately, and is focusing on promoting now. If you are looking for traditional authentic LUA, unless your Hawaiian , brah, your probably out of luck. You could hit up Brotha Olohe Kaihewalu out in Orange, or just pm me.
Aloha nui!

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If you are looking for traditional authentic LUA, unless your Hawaiian , brah, your probably out of luck. You could hit up Brotha Olohe Kaihewalu out in Orange, or just pm me.

I'm confused, doesn't Olohe Kaihewalu teach non-Hawaiians openly?


Are Kazja tapes(DVD's?) still available anywhere?

[haumana2000]

Yes, Olohe Kaihewalu does teach non-Hawaiians openly. I have been on the receving end of his locks/breaks many times, and it is effective. However, Olohe Kaihewalu's Lua, is still different from "Traditional Lua," which is still considered "Kapu" or off limits to outsiders. This of course is also Different than kumu Kazja Patchul's Lua as well, which is now geared much toward the small stable "competitors" that he now trains. Which both our traditional brothers, and Olohe Kaihewalu do not feel comfortable with his interpretation. Having experienced traditional Lua as well, it is a very profound experience with protocol, ritual, ancient weapons, haka, language, healing, boxing, wrestling, and bonebreaking. The stance is a little more of a high forward guard, and slightly more rigid than Olohe Kaihewalu who maintains that his style is more toward combat and less tradition, but the older kupuna in Hawaii, take the stance that this is something to connect with ancestors, retain traditional values, teach spirituality, reclaim heritage and pride as well as be combat efficient. Oh, you asked about the vids from Kazja' I have them, and they are ok, (his hardcore surfer attitude is interesting). But he no longer distributes them, last I spoke with him, he had inked a distribution deal with Panther prod. But I don't know whatever happened.
Hope this helps your questions.

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No luck finding the videos via Panther Productions. I guess the deal never went through. I'd really like to see what they were about, as there are not a lot of options to find material on Hawaiian arts. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

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haumana2000,

Do you see anything in common between the arts of Polynesia and those of SE Asia, or do you see a stronger link from the Polynesian arts to JMA?

[haumana2000]

There is a huge comminality between the Pacific Martial arts and those of SE Asia (Which are my core foundation) The regional dances, weaponry, dress, performing arts, and even the language (malayo/polynesian) are similar. The lack of written records makes it somewhat difficult to decipher the true origins of the ancient Polynesians, especially since oral tradition is the biggest method of recording history in Oceania. Most subscribe to a common theory that there was once a mythical homeland called Hawaiiki. Evidence suggests however, that The Polynesians originated in se asia.

[lude17]

does anyone know where i can get the kazja videos?

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[QUOTE]There is a huge comminality between the Pacific Martial arts and those of SE Asia (Which are my core foundation) [QUOTE]


Would you say more so between lua and silat or lua and esrcima/arnis/kali?

How about mailand SE Asian arts such as Muay Thai?

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[haumana2000]

I would say Lua, and certain forms of Silat from an empty hand persepective share a heavy influence from the traditional sarong (silat) to the (malo) lua. onto the emphasis in some styles with breaks, and grappling.

However the biggest difference with the exception of club usage, (patu onewa or kalaa'u). Would be that the Hawaiian Islands are traditionally coral and volcanic in geography and had no metal making technology. therefore no spada y daga, or sword fighting. Therefore those moves would catered more toward the usage of bladed weapons of obsidian, or sharkteeth which are held in more of a ripping fashion. I learned a technique sequence from our traditional brothas with the lei'omano in which the lei'omano weilding and reaches around the opponnent, and digs into the shoulder blade, and used to spiral him around 90 degrees to open him up for a throat rip. pretty nasty stuff.

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haumana2000,

Do you know anything about a commercial video from Olohe Solomon Kaihewalu on h2h and weaponry? I just found a very tiny mention of it on his website, and I am very curious.

Does lua have a groundfighting component? If so, is it similar to silat groundfighting?

Thanks again for the information in this thread.

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ttt to keep it alive