It was amazing...

Spider Web · 03-14-2005, 12:52 AM

Some of you who read this may not be impressed or surprised, but as a new student of BJJ I was amazed.

Last week we had some open mat time following our class. We currently have a student at our school who start's at the nose tackle position in the NFL, he was a two time state heavyweight wrestling champion in high school and he was also a successful collegeiant (sp?) wrestler. The man, 310 lbs worth (whom is very respectful I might ad), wanted to roll some during the open mat. One of the men he rolled with was a young 22 year old green belt who is about 5'7 and maybe 160 lbs and that's probably pushing it, and that green belt made the guy tap.
I totally believe in BJJ and that is why I invest my time and money learning it. But under the circumstances do any of you that has been in BJJ for awhile find this impressive as well?

Godspeed to you all!

EmptyneSs · 03-14-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Ward

Some of you who read this may not be impressed or surprised, but as a new student of BJJ I was amazed.

Last week we had some open mat time following our class. We currently have a student at our school who start's at the nose tackle position in the NFL, he was a two time state heavyweight wrestling champion in high school and he was also a successful collegeiant (sp?) wrestler. The man, 310 lbs worth (whom is very respectful I might ad), wanted to roll some during the open mat. One of the men he rolled with was a young 22 year old green belt who is about 5'7 and maybe 160 lbs and that's probably pushing it, and that green belt made the guy tap.
I totally believe in BJJ and that is why I invest my time and money learning it. But under the circumstances do any of you that has been in BJJ for awhile find this impressive as well?

Godspeed to you all!

im amazing too.

aseepish · 03-14-2005, 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Ward

One of the men he rolled with was a young 22 year old green belt who is about 5'7 and maybe 160 lbs and that's probably pushing it, and that green belt made the guy tap.

BJJ has green belts?

Tom Yum · 03-14-2005, 09:31 AM

It can happen. Yeah, its pretty impressive.

BJJ seems like a good compliment to wrestling. Its designed to work for the smaller, relatively weaker grappler since a good part of its moves assume that the stronger grappler or wrestler will get the top position. It uses leverage, just like wrestling but does not emphasize strength but using stronger parts of your body against the weaker parts.

Royce Gracie tapped a 600 lb sumo wrestler named Akebono. That was impressive.

SamuraiGuy · 03-14-2005, 04:03 PM

First of all I was under the impression theres no green belt in BJJ... so thats a lil wierd, second of all... hes in the NFL, he was a good wrestler, I highly doubt this "green" belt could make him tap... even if he wasnt a wrestler, do you know how strong that nose tackle is gonna be?... the 160 pounder wouldnt have had a chance, even if he was BJJ black belt vs NFL nose tackle with no MA experience. Either this is a lie, or guy let "green" belt win.

Tom Yum · 03-14-2005, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

do you know how strong that nose tackle is gonna be?... Either this is a lie, or guy let "green" belt win.

On the order of a 500 lb bench press and a 700+ lb squat.

Tank abbot demonstrated a 650 lb bench press

and one punch KOs (vs. John Matua, the 300lb Samoan) but has still been sub'd by guys like Taktarov, Severn, Mir, Frye, Kimo etc.

Strength matters, but so does skill.

Brem123 · 03-14-2005, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aseepish

BJJ has green belts?

Lol I was about to say the same thing.

White, blue, purple, brown, black.

Tant01 · 03-14-2005, 08:31 PM

Amazing is throwing one of those giants to the ground! The thud they make is impressive!

Okay, making them tap is fun too...

Sensei Saki · 03-14-2005, 08:31 PM

It seems amazing to me too.Who told you that?Yeah okay, I think making them tap is a lot of things.

SamuraiGuy · 03-15-2005, 03:25 PM

Ok, I see how I was wrong a Black Belt would probably be able to take out the nose tackle, ... maybe... lol... but a GREEN BELT!... cmon...especially when the nose tackle was apparently a good wrestler. Oh and if you think 650 is a big benchpress (a lot more then mine)... look for the 900+ ones some powerlifters do... scccaaarrryyy...

NRC · 03-15-2005, 03:51 PM

OT - Would the poster above or anyone please post a link / article / reference to Tank Abbot benching 650lbs.

Tom Yum · 03-15-2005, 05:01 PM

There used to be a clip of him on bullshido performing it.

Google it.

Tom Yum · 03-15-2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

look for the 900+ ones some powerlifters do... scccaaarrryyy...

Yeah, that's insane. The record is 1,050. The guy is built like a giant barrel.

eXcessiveForce · 03-15-2005, 05:18 PM

I have seen some non-gracie BJJ schools with green belts. so yes they do exist.

The schools i've seen are under megaton

**gregimotis** · 03-15-2005, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

First of all I was under the impression theres no green belt in BJJ... so thats a lil wierd, second of all... hes in the NFL, he was a good wrestler, I highly doubt this "green" belt could make him tap... even if he wasnt a wrestler, do you know how strong that nose tackle is gonna be?... the 160 pounder wouldnt have had a chance, even if he was BJJ black belt vs NFL nose tackle with no MA experience. Either this is a lie, or guy let "green" belt win.

I don't know about the green belt business, but I have no doubt that a grappler can tap most anyone who is unaware of submissions. His wrestling experience will help him much more than any muscle mass, and even there he won't know when he's in danger of being submitted until it's too late.

Typically, a big guy new to submission grappling tries to overpower you - He charges in, ends up in your guard (wich he doesn't even recognize as a threat, much less try to escape), and while he's trying to stack or choke, you pass an arm for triangle or arm bar. I've probably done that to guys with 70+ pounds on me two dozen times. Of course, they then stay in class and three months later are exponentially harder to deal with

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Spider Web Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Yukon, Oklahoma and Palestine Texas Posts: 36	It was amazing... Some of you who read this may not be impressed or surprised, but as a new student of BJJ I was amazed. Last week we had some open mat time following our class. We currently have a student at our school who start's at the nose tackle position in the NFL, he was a two time state heavyweight wrestling champion in high school and he was also a successful collegeiant (sp?) wrestler. The man, 310 lbs worth (whom is very respectful I might ad), wanted to roll some during the open mat. One of the men he rolled with was a young 22 year old green belt who is about 5'7 and maybe 160 lbs and that's probably pushing it, and that green belt made the guy tap. I totally believe in BJJ and that is why I invest my time and money learning it. But under the circumstances do any of you that has been in BJJ for awhile find this impressive as well? Godspeed to you all!

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Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,220	It can happen. Yeah, its pretty impressive. BJJ seems like a good compliment to wrestling. Its designed to work for the smaller, relatively weaker grappler since a good part of its moves assume that the stronger grappler or wrestler will get the top position. It uses leverage, just like wrestling but does not emphasize strength but using stronger parts of your body against the weaker parts. Royce Gracie tapped a 600 lb sumo wrestler named Akebono. That was impressive. __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

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SamuraiGuy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,865	First of all I was under the impression theres no green belt in BJJ... so thats a lil wierd, second of all... hes in the NFL, he was a good wrestler, I highly doubt this "green" belt could make him tap... even if he wasnt a wrestler, do you know how strong that nose tackle is gonna be?... the 160 pounder wouldnt have had a chance, even if he was BJJ black belt vs NFL nose tackle with no MA experience. Either this is a lie, or guy let "green" belt win. __________________ "a few User CP's that are pretty significant ones(like a BoarSpear or SamuraiGuy one). " - GracieHunter I choke people, I dont poke people. -- Me Were you born to resist or be abused? I swear I'll never give in, I refuse. -- Foo Fighters I want a girl that spends more time on her back than Royce Gracie. I'll knee you in the face like your name was Josh Koschek -- Me

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Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 4,924	Amazing is throwing one of those giants to the ground! The thud they make is impressive! Okay, making them tap is fun too... __________________ "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur." James Paterson

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SamuraiGuy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,865	Ok, I see how I was wrong a Black Belt would probably be able to take out the nose tackle, ... maybe... lol... but a GREEN BELT!... cmon...especially when the nose tackle was apparently a good wrestler. Oh and if you think 650 is a big benchpress (a lot more then mine)... look for the 900+ ones some powerlifters do... scccaaarrryyy... __________________ "a few User CP's that are pretty significant ones(like a BoarSpear or SamuraiGuy one). " - GracieHunter I choke people, I dont poke people. -- Me Were you born to resist or be abused? I swear I'll never give in, I refuse. -- Foo Fighters I want a girl that spends more time on her back than Royce Gracie. I'll knee you in the face like your name was Josh Koschek -- Me

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Sensei Saki "Endless Wisdom" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 781	It seems amazing to me too.Who told you that?Yeah okay, I think making them tap is a lot of things.

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NRC Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 8	OT - Would the poster above or anyone please post a link / article / reference to Tank Abbot benching 650lbs.

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Tom Yum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here and there. Posts: 11,220	There used to be a clip of him on bullshido performing it. Google it. __________________ The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Slow is fast; fast is slow. Love it, leave it or fix it.

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eXcessiveForce Excessive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Missouri Posts: 2,828	I have seen some non-gracie BJJ schools with green belts. so yes they do exist. The schools i've seen are under megaton __________________ eXcessiveFORCE. If you must use force, make it excessive.

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