BJJ isnt that good

[ChunGi]

Bjj isnt that cool. Its only effective against people how arent very good at there martial art...... honestly. the problme is that Bjj doesnt incorperate good blocking and striking technique. yeah ur screwed if they mount u, but every BJJ fighter i ever went up against never got me down or i took them down and went from there. since i am doing MMA i decided to triain it abit and found it pretty basic. one thing i disliked is this arm bar type move where u put the arm between ur legs adn arch ur back. seemed very ineffective and useless..... i dunno jsut ranting

[Andrew WA]

What???


While I agree that BJJ is not as good as the BJJr's want you to think it is. It is highly effective. The armbar is something that is totally useful! How could you think its not?? And you do MAA?? You cant be serious.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by ChunGi

Bjj isnt that cool.

Anything that involves hard work usually isn't that cool. We all know coolness has alot to do with effective martial arts.

Originally Posted by ChunGi

Its only effective against people how arent very good at there martial art......

Yeah, I guess its ineffective against European Savate Champions, Professional Boxers, 500-lb sumo champs, Judo champs in style vs style matches....wait, BJJ WAS effective in those matches

Originally Posted by ChunGi

honestly. the problme is that Bjj doesnt incorperate good blocking and striking technique. yeah ur screwed if they mount u, but every BJJ fighter i ever went up against never got me down or i took them down and went from there. since i am doing MMA i decided to triain it abit and found it pretty basic. one thing i disliked is this arm bar type move where u put the arm between ur legs adn arch ur back. seemed very ineffective and useless..... i dunno jsut ranting

Yeah, the armbar is totally ineffective...

[medic06]

Originally Posted by ChunGi

Bjj isnt that cool. Its only effective against people how arent very good at there martial art...... honestly. the problme is that Bjj doesnt incorperate good blocking and striking technique. yeah ur screwed if they mount u, but every BJJ fighter i ever went up against never got me down or i took them down and went from there. since i am doing MMA i decided to triain it abit and found it pretty basic. one thing i disliked is this arm bar type move where u put the arm between ur legs adn arch ur back. seemed very ineffective and useless..... i dunno jsut ranting

The best syles are always pretty basic. To me the measure of an art (or the artist) is how good are his basics.

As for that armbar if all you are doing is arching your back then you are doing it wrong. I do agree that their striking sucks though. . . .

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by ChunGi

Bjj isnt that cool. ...
.... one thing i disliked is this arm bar type move where u put the arm between ur legs adn arch ur back. seemed very ineffective and useless..... i dunno jsut ranting

Ahh yes, the old armbar...


It might feel awkward now but once you get this "very ineffective" lock down and learn to apply it correctly it's the most powerful limb destruction technique in Judo. But you don't have to take my word for it...


See if this description of the technique makes any sense to you>>>
http://www.judoinfo.com/jujigatame.htm

[pstevens]

The armbar and most BJJ techniques work against people who don't understand them. However, if you've been training MMA or BJJ for some time, it's really hard to catch someone in an armbar. It becomes more of a chest match where you have to set the guy up. Most MMA guys only train the essentials and do away with a lot of BJJ stuff (some stuff isn't very applicable in NHB).

Some myths about BJJ that need to be dispelled are:

1. A smaller person can beat a larger opponent - True in any art in some respects. In the case of BJJ, Helio beat lots of people who didn't understand BJJ. But against a bigger BJJ guy with the same talent, you're toast.

2. 90% fights go to the ground. Not true unless you live on a completely flat town. Most fights go to the clinch, against a wall, table, etc... Then they may go to the ground.

3. The Gi game is more technical - Not true either. No gi is just as technical, but faster and harder (in my opinion).

BJJ is a good start, but now that most people in MMA understand its inner workings, you need to really expand your game. Hence, you have a guy who learned to grapple through videos beating a BJJ black belt in the last pride!

[shamster]

Originally Posted by pstevens

1. A smaller person can beat a larger opponent - True in any art in some respects. In the case of BJJ, Helio beat lots of people who didn't understand BJJ. But against a bigger BJJ guy with the same talent, you're toast.

In any style, when two people are of equal skill and talent, the bigger/stronger guy will usually win. This isn't a problem exclusive to BJJ. The fact is that most people (including a lot of martial artists) are completely clueless when they get taken to the ground. And it's not hard to get a lot of guys to the ground if they're not prepared. Hence, the advantage of BJJ when used against "most" opponents.

Originally Posted by pstevens

2. 90% fights go to the ground. Not true unless you live on a completely flat town. Most fights go to the clinch, against a wall, table, etc... Then they may go to the ground.

90% may or may not be a high estimate. I have found it depends who you ask. Even though few people have shown me sources of fight statistics, I still have yet to see actual numbers of how many real fights go to the ground. After all, it's near impossible to document every fight that takes place in the world. It really depends on who you ask. In my case, ever since I was little, I don't recall one fight not going to the ground. If you ask some others, they can say they've never seen a fight go to the ground. Nevertheless, it's important to know ground work. Humans have a relatively high center of gravity on top of two thin legs, compared to other species. The possibility of ending up on the ground is a reality, like it or not. It's a lot harder for two fighters to stay on their feet than it is to go to the ground. Also, clinches involve grappling skills.

Originally Posted by pstevens

3. The Gi game is more technical - Not true either. No gi is just as technical, but faster and harder (in my opinion).

Gi training is more technical. The reason is because you can do a lot more when wearing a gi. It not only gives you the option to look for more moves, but also to defend against them.

[kiddbjj]

i nearly got my arm broke at training last night from an armbar because my partner cranked it too fast for me to get a hand free to tap with... so don't tell me an armbar is ineffective... it is one of the mainstays of mma and certainly ranks in the top ten fight stoppers for any mma event.

[cakegirl]

Kiddbjj, me too. I got armbarred in a tournament 2 weeks ago, and my elbow still hurts!

[Ronson]

ChunGi, I give your troll job a 1 out of 10. Lacks imagination and innovation.

You have proven the ineffectiveness of BJJ and all my training has been a waste of my time and money. Thank you for exposing the fraud that BJJ is. Thank you.

[unclejoe357]

Hmmm.... The Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Ive come to love know has basic kicks, knees, elbows, and hand strikes. Some blocking, but more focus is put of downright avoiding the opponents strikes.

If you are training for gi/no gi competition than you wont be learning that stuff. If your instructors are focused on self defence, you will be. Same could be true with MMA.

Is it cool? To me, yes. I want something that works. Being able to fight in the clinch and on the ground is important to me.
If your idea of cool is flying spinning scissor kicks than no, it isnt. While they are cool to watch thats not what Im after.

"against a bigger BJJ guy with the same talent, you're toast"
Yup. Thats pretty much how it works in every system. Of course, luck and determination can help too.

[Yu Law]

Originally Posted by unclejoe357

"against a bigger BJJ guy with the same talent, you're toast"
Yup. Thats pretty much how it works in every system. Of course, luck and determination can help too.

in BJJ maybe, but in every system, no way is that true. I've seen bigger guys get put to sleep in boxing , muay thai wing chun and karate.

Its about aplication, tech. and speed. Strenth is important, but unless you plan on ending a fight with 1 big haymaker (which would work) a smaller guy with the same skill level who has more speed will beat you.

[bodhisattva]

BJJ is very effective.

[bodhisattva]

Originally Posted by ChunGi

Bjj isnt that cool. Its only effective against people how arent very good at there martial art...... honestly. the problme is that Bjj doesnt incorperate good blocking and striking technique. yeah ur screwed if they mount u, but every BJJ fighter i ever went up against never got me down or i took them down and went from there. since i am doing MMA i decided to triain it abit and found it pretty basic. one thing i disliked is this arm bar type move where u put the arm between ur legs adn arch ur back. seemed very ineffective and useless..... i dunno jsut ranting

You should go to a BJJ gym for just one month, 3 days a week, at least 2 hours at a time.

THEN tell me if you think BJJ is effective.

[Garland]

grappling is mandatory to a serious fighter. BJJ just happens to be a very efficient and economical form of grappling. BJJ, along with shooto, are some of the best grappling and submission arts out there that don't rely on a shitload of really foul tactics (esoteric arts like dumog, and some filipino arts).

But having just a BJJ background, especially gi-only training, is limited in its scope. It's better to train in a plethora of arts that focus on different ranges of combat to become an overall better fighter.

Then there are the anomolies, great artists who only come once in a great while who can dessimate their opponents with just a few strikes. But even Ali got beat by...I think it was Inoki...
Bruce Lee and Mas Oyama probably never had the chance to fight master submission artists...but both of them were progressive enough in their thinking that I assure you they would cross train an art like BJJ.
If only Oyama, Bruce, and Helio had hooked up... (and maybe some of the hardest guys in all of MA, the FMA grandmasters)

An Art is a toolbox...and sometimes the tools you have can't fix a problem...so it's best to expand your set...right?!
Alot of it does also, as you implied, rely on the individual...but these days...the caliber of fighter is a whole different gauge....you need something to use as an equalizer, and the ability to apply it under pressure, and most importantly, to adapt to whatever is in front of you.