Perfecting Guillotine Choke

[SamuraiGuy]

While grappling I've always liked using the Guillotine choke whether standing or on the ground, sometimes standing to the ground. Thing is I have never been taught how to do this, or have seen a good demonstration/photo set explaining it. With that said I've made about 4 people tap out to it in the last two days.

I'm just wondering how to make it more effective, I'm not sure what to do with my non choking hand and what some of the dangers I have to look out for are. Heres basically waht I do:

Opponent is bent over, face towards the floor. I wrap my right arm around there neck.

I then grab my own wrist with my left hand, and apply the choke. I'm not sure exactly what my body does to apply it besides the squeezing of the arms/pulling on my wrist. When I'm standing I find it effective to lift them up by their neck.

I'm really not sure what they could do from there besides shooting for a double leg takedown, which would put them in my gaurd and me still having them in the choke. Other then flailing the arms and trying to punch me I dont see any attack they could have, and I wouldnt mind getting hit a few times in the face with a flailing arm to make them tap out.

Any tips on applying this, or effective articles/videos/photo sets would be great. I have searched on google and whatnot and all I came up with was a 6 picture set on BJJ.org. Thanks in Advance.

[cakegirl]

There is a defence against the guillotine, which is effective if done soon enough. e.g. it's in the fighter's notebook http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/Figh...book_Index.cfm and it's taught at bjj schools everywhere.

As for making your guillotine better, I used to use the arm under their neck to move upwards - imagine opening one of those windows that slides upwards. Then someone (maybe Royce) suggested instead, I imagine my forearm is a door, and my elbow is the hinge, and that I "close the door", effectively making the space where my opponent's head has to fit smaller, rather than just higher.

Also, Royler insists that with a standing guillotine, you should only be using your arms to apply the choke, not raising your hips, or you're in danger of losing your balance backwards if they push.

[bbbb]

...what if you (gently) pushed, almost walked, them backward's.

Or is that a crank!?

Cool Post- I think I know what you are talking about.

So Brazillian JJ doesn't have to go to the ground does it!?

(It's only when it's two quality opponent's that that's where it does go )?!

Cool Post!!

[cakegirl]

Hey BBBB, you're right. BJJ/GJJ does not have to go to their ground. A lot of their self-defence moves are standing.

[Tant01]

Hey BBBB, you're right. BJJ/GJJ does not have to go to their ground. A lot of their self-defence moves are standing.

OH Geeze!!, Your secret's out NOW...

Defense against the guillotine (Mae Hadaka Jime) is like one of the very basic requirements for blue belts, isn't it? Seems like it's application should also be a fundamental thing to do... Even untrained guys will have this position handed to them from time to time...

[cakegirl]

Defense against the guillotine (Mae Hadaka Jime) is like one of the very basic requirements for blue belts, isn't it? Seems like it's application should also be a fundamental thing to do... Even untrained guys will have this position handed to them from time to time...

Well, different schools have different requirements for belts, but it's probably a requirement at some.

And yes, this postition does get 'handed' to people a lot, especially from people who crunch forward with their posture... Then again, I've seen BJJ tournaments where, at least at beginner level, the guillotine was not allowed.

[Ahoym8e]

keep the choke, sit down, close your guard around the opponent and bridge (straighten/arch your back).

instant tapout.

[SamuraiGuy]

Ok, still dont know if im applying it the BJJ way, but it seems to be working, quite well I might add, I will try to bridge, as posted up above, but choking seems to work, I was also wondering what defines a neck crank... I mean the guillotine is not a neck crank is it?.. and someone above mentioned it... is a crank just where you turn their neck in an awkward position while choking them....

I also just got a CPR cert... so I should be able to bring back anyone to life that I choke out, my problem now is, I love the guillotine so much, I feel I may become predictable.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, although theres really not much they can do to defend it once ive wrapped my arm around them, or is there? hmmm maybe seem defense I dont know about...

[Tant01]

Ok, still dont know if im applying it the BJJ way, but .... I was also wondering what defines a neck crank... I mean the guillotine is not a neck crank is it?..

and someone above mentioned it... is a crank just where you turn their neck in an awkward position while choking them....

I also just got a CPR cert... so I should be able to bring back anyone to life that I choke out, my problem now is, I love the guillotine so much, I feel I may become predictable.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, although theres really not much they can do to defend it once ive wrapped my arm around them, or is there? hmmm maybe seem defense I dont know about...

Don't get too confident yet. A neck crank is when you apply pressure(torque) on the neck vertebrae. The guillotine is a neck crank because it qualifies as a "lock" when you isolate the parts connected to it while you apply the needed torque. Be careful, eh?

Defense against the lock begins long before the thing is defined...

[cakegirl]

Um, you should NOT have to use CPR to revive someone you choke!

[SamuraiGuy]

Just saying if I need to... jeez.... sometimes kids dont like to give up... I usually will let go of a choke if I think they are going to get knocked out and not tap out.... I just slap on an armbar or something from there, kinda easy when they are on the brink of unconciousness....

[OneDragons]

If you get to the point of having to use CPR it has gone waayyy beyond choking someone out. Perhaps the first aid course you went on was not very explicite on what CPR can and cannot do as well as levels of consciousness associated with choking/strangulation.

2 points which I hope you bear in mind, if they do not come round within a few seconds after release you choked for too long, call an ambulance. Secondly if you have to use CPR you WILL NOT RESUCITATE THEM DOING THIS you only keep them alive in the meantime. Thats what those funny machines with the paddles are for (they are not there for dramatic effect)

[cakegirl]

Yay thankyou Onedragons for clarifying my point. God knows I'm not able to do it myself tonight, but that's kinda what I was getting at.

[Tant01]

Just saying if I need to... jeez.... sometimes kids dont like to give up.....
....

I thought you were JOKING!


Dude. CPR will cause more damage than good in many cases. You will seperate floating ribs or crack them near the sternum. DON'T try it!


Samuraiguy better work on his KAPPO (SERIOUSLY)

[SamuraiGuy]

No idea what kappo is...

oh and btw CPR can recessitate people... I know I didnt spell that right, they can eventually come around, and yes I know what a defribulator is, (paddle thing you mentioned).....

It started off being a joke, but then it kinda got taken seriously, I've never had to use it, soo it shouldnt be a problem... and if you perform it properly, which I know how to, you wont destroy their ribs and what not, if your doing it properly you shouldnt be anywhere near the floating ribs....

and for the ambulance thing, the first thing you do after you analyze they arent waking up is phone EMS Emergency Medical Systems.... sooo.... wouldnt I do that anyway.

And I started this thread to talk about choking! not after choking! GRRR haha