*$#%@! Why are people so rough??

[Penance]

Ahoym8e is right I should talk to my instructor. It was rude of me to vent online like this. Sorry, I was just really frustrated.

[JaredExtreme]

I've found that the kind of energy you emit while rolling determines what kind of energy your partner will respond with (unless they are complete noob white belts or assholes).

Also, tap out earlier. That will save you a lot of grief down the road.

[Ahoym8e]

they're either real new or just jerks.

You shouldn't get hurt in BJJ. Quality training partners take care of each other. You ought to talk to the instructor about it.

OUr instructor regularly talks about good sportsmanship and teamwork in training, especially when we get karate people or weightlifters or whatever that come in and try to muscle their way around.

As you get better you'll learn how to avoid positions that you can get hurt in, plus as you get stronger and more flexible it'll be harder to hurt you.

Keep at it.

[Penance]

Ditto .

[OSHIEGO]

The Whole Point Of Rolling (randori) Is To Help You Commit The Moves That You Have Learned To Both Your Mind's Memory And To Your Muscle Memory. If All That Your Training Partner Is Thinking Of Is Winning, Then The Process Is Going To 1) Take A Long Time. 2) Be Unpleasant And 3) Be Dangerous For Those Involved. Loosing During Randori Is One Of The Ways To Help You Learn And Should Be Seen As Such. If Your Training Partner Does Not Agree, Then Train With Someone Else.
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[EmptyneSs]

ego problems. u have people in their from all walks of life. some people are gonna be cool while others cant be trusted. theres alota ego and testosterone sometimes so u can get hurt. in judo there was a brownbelt that i tapped out who got pissed and attacked me while my back was turned. his ego was way too big. plus u got some of em on roids, and people who take roids get very irratable very fast. who knows, what if u piss some highschool athlete on roids who is new in their and he just snaps your arm? or breaks your neck even? do u wanna be rolling with a football player who injects himself with growth hormones taken from raging bulls into his leg??

we have this problem in boxing and mt as well. new people coming in thinking they were "street fighters" and had tons of pride and ego. or new people trying to take your heads off to prove they are good type of thing. we usually beat the **** out of those guys though and they dont return. this one time this douche was beating the crap outta chicks once thinking he was tough or something, so the instructer just had him knocked out. he never came back.

my advice is try to find some people u really trust and are friends with and just practice with them. whoever u were training with shouldnt have tried to bust a can opener on u, let alone one that injured you. that technique isnt even usually allowed at certain bjj tournaments. are u guys unsupervised ?

talk to some of the higher belts, the level headed ones who care about bjj training, and your instructer about this and ask if u could roll with them more or other people who are cool and know wha they are doing. u will learn more this way and prevent injury.

its not safe to spar or roll with anyone who hasnt completely left there ego at the door once they have arrived to train. this is an issue about being humble and polite to all.

[Penance]

EmptyneSs and OSHIEGO, thanks for your responses. You're 100% right and on the same wavelength as me.

I hate to stereotype people, but the second I saw the kid I could tell he was a trouble-maker. I tried to be polite and ask him how long he's trained, but he was just very snide and curt like "Did some back home. Doesn't take much to pick up on things." (Like, BJJ is easy, what's your problem why are you asking??) Then he was just going full force all the time. It felt like he was trying to attack me rather than train, which sucked.

I guess some people come to class to beat on people, not learn. Which sucks. Oh well, I'll get stronger and better and some day, if he's still around, I'll show him what real technique is about =)

[OSHIEGO]

You Are Welcome... Do Not Become Like Those You Dislike.

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[wardancer]

Roll to learn not just to win.
My team mate went to Rio and tap all the blue and purple belts on the first day!
Thinking it was great!
The next day, they marked him and made him tap every time, not giving a chance to practice anymove or anmore!
As he just felt being treated as a 'punching/rolling' bag, he cooled off with his tap out attitude: what will be the point for him to travel all the way to Rio just to be treated as a training dummmy afterall!
I think he learned the hard way.
Personally, I try to avoid for the new members that just target you with their sharks attitude.
But my instructor matches the rolling partners, so I do as he says anyway!
If I have to roll with the new guy so be it, he will know if the guy was just there to win or learn.

[EmptyneSs]

asking if the person would go light helps alot. just say u want to learn so lets go light. this is better than having to grapple someone who is going to constantly be using force only and wrenching on your neck and limbs around the mat trying to feed his ego. he still may do it, but most people will calm down and think u asking them to go light means they must be really good, so it tones down their need to prove themselvs. its better this way, if u can learn to be light, relaxed, safe and not rely on strength only u will end up being a much better, learning more, and having better technique. i even tell people sometimes they need to chill out and stop using force only. that isnt what jujitsu is about.

then u need to grapple with people u are friends with and know u guys arent there to prove something, but to learn and get better instead.

[OSHIEGO]

It Is All About Technique, Not Strength. So That Is What Should Be Concentrated Upon.
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[SamuraiGuy]

I donno seems when your grappling in training, or just sparring in general, unless your just practicing the technique, like letting them do it to you, you should be trying to win... I mean whats teh point if neither of you are trying to win just having a nice little session, doesnt make sense to me.

I dont think you should try and hurt the person, but both people should be trying to win whether its sport or self defense, in competitions no one is gonna hold back, and in fights even less so, I say everyone should go at 100% and then there would be noone going too hard...

Makes sense to me anyway.

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

I dont think you should try and hurt the person, but both people should be trying to win whether its sport or self defense, in competitions no one is gonna hold back, and in fights even less so, I say everyone should go at 100% and then there would be noone going too hard...

Makes sense to me anyway.

If you sparr 100% all the time, you get injuries. Its a fact. Those injuries add up and within a few years, you can't train anymore because you get seriously injured. You can go full speed at about 70% and get the same benefits and minimize injuries to small things, rather than bigger ones at 100%.

I think its good to go full contact every once in a while for realism in your training, but you learn the most and hurt less when you tone it down a bit.

[EmptyneSs]

yup. this is true. u need to experience going hard for sure, but not as often as u think. the thing is, if u train clearminded, relaxed, fluid, and lighter, your technique will improve better than going really hard all the time. u can put on some gloves and go ape shit and just brawl if u want, or u can really work on your stuff and experiment, and take notice of your technique and strategies. u can better understand whats going on. being relaxed seems to be one of the most important qualties there is in life. if u think about it, being relaxed is your best option in any situation u will ever be in. if u are trying to get on some hot chick at a party u dont want to be all hyper, or nervous or anything. u want to be relaxed, casual and clearminded. if u are on the street and a bad situation starts to go down, once again being relaxed is going to help u more than panicking and doing thing randomly out of fear and not rational thought. whenever i spar or grapple, i have to keep reminding myself " just relax". its very easy to lose yourself when u are fighting a resisting person.

btw, who would win in a mma match? guile from street fighter or bruce lee?

[Tom Yum]

Originally Posted by EmptyneSs

btw, who would win in a mma match? guile from street fighter or bruce lee?

How about a tag team match up:

Freddy (Nightmare on Elmstreet) Jason (Friday 13th) & Micheal Myers (Haloween)

vs.

Teen Wolf, Braham Stoker's Dracula & Frankenstein


...Let's get it on!