take downs from face to face.

[dan downard]

I know there are many take downs from every position,but how many practice from face to face close quarters.
No room to sprawl or maneuver.

[duchman]

judo! baby!!!

[Jaguar Wong]

Like from a clinch, or just standing there talking smack? I would imagine that closing the gap would be better if it's the latter of the two. Then it's belly to belly suplex time! I would have to think that Judo would be pretty good too, even if they don't have a jacket on. I still say headbutts, and knees to the groin and solar plexus are the best takedowns. Of course that's cause my takedown skills aren't as sharp as they should be.

I've seen some high double leg type takedowns from a clinch, and I've also seen a friend shoot for a single into a fireman's carry when he was tied up. Don't wrestlers train the shot from a collar and elbow tie up? I'm thinking that would work pretty good because you don't need a lot of room, and it's tough to sprawl from, cause you're also pulling them in/down as you shoot.

[EJ]

We practice a ton of "judo" throws at my BJJ school. I am getting pretty deadly with a couple of them now.

I wish I knew the Japanese term for them....

[duchman]

judo throws are cool EJ but i will flying heelhook you!

[SweepEm]

sounds like a challenge match.

[EJ]

LOL

[Twisted up]

Learn some wrestling takedowns from the tie-up (clinch).
Things like snap-downs, and ankle picks are fairly easy to pull off and don't require a lot of room.

Here's one that works with almost NO room to move. Try and picture this:

You do an arm drag but instead of moving around behind your opponent as usual, you hook his arm (bicep to bicep) and hug him tight--you're standing beside your opponent and you both have identical positions.

Now, move slightly behind him and take your FAR (free) arm between you. The PINKY finger of that hand will hook just under his nose (your thumb is down near his mouth).

Unless his has MANDIBLES, he won't be able to bite you but practice this to get the feel of it, staying on the safe side of things. You CAN go higher up on his head with your free hand but it's easier to resist the move that way.

Now, still hooking arms with him, use your free hand (now on his face) to "PULL HIS HEAD BACKWARD AND DOWN".

He'll drop like a sack of potatos! Follow the move to the ground and you'll end up in a great control position with a submission intact ("Branch-down" / kimura armlock).

It's from SILAT but it's a pretty high percentage move, only dependent upon getting into position. It would be something that would work with no room, in very close quarters.

It's also a good move for bouncers to learn. The move can be found on Marc McFann's "Standing Grappling" video!


Good training!
John

[Edited by Twisted up on 12-27-2000 at 04:22 PM]

[Ryu (non-working password]

If it's an altercation, and you are standing face to face doing the "I'm a bigger rooster than you" dance, you can headbutt first (at that range, there's little chance of defending) and pick him up with a belly to belly suplex. Or if you're not strong enough for that, just clinch and hook his leg. At that range, you're basically clinched anyway. Nothing really changes that much in my opinion.

Ryu

[legreap]

i've found that from a clinch, even with a bigger opponent, that a tomoe-nage is a great take down. it's easy to generate backwards motion and once you have that it's easy to complete the throw. i can't imagine many people expecting that throw "on the street" and it's pretty easy to move into the mount from there.

off of a punch you could move into a standing guillotine, pretty effective, but not really a takedown per-se...

another great technique from the clinch with a less or unskilled opponent is an outer leg reap.

[dan downard]

I was wondering how many actually do train for this.
Not just think about it.But actually practice getting a resisting opponant to the ground from face to face.
Have someone put on some real light gloves and see if you can get him to the ground without getting hit.And do it for an hour.Not just a couple of times.Use whatever takedown you want.But YOU cant hit.The object is to get him to the ground NOW without letting him hit you.

[duchman]

It is funy how people just don't give credit to JUDO

[dan downard]

Dutchman,I love judo. Boxing,Tae kwon do,Judo,B.J.J.And Muay Tai. These are what I train in. Boxing is my weakest .I am so small and have such a short reach. So I use my feet.My oldest brother was a brownbelt on the comp circut in judo.

[duchman]

Jesus, you crosstrain in judo Boxing,Tae kwon do,Judo,BJJ.And Muay Thai?

[Twisted up]

I say use whatever works! If it's judo, then so be it! you have to find what works for YOU on a consistent basis.

I think highly of judo, if you train to use it with and without a gi. So many judo throws require grabbing material for execution.

While I know that everyone (generally) wears clothes on the street, I think it necessary to work wrestling takedowns as well. Just to have all the bases covered.

I think a highly skilled judoka could kick major ass on the street! Imagine throwing someone and BOTH parties feet leave the ground? Imagine the landing the THROWEE would have? Just might end the fight itself!


Good training!

John