training to be complete

[kiddbjj]

how do you guys break down your training considering that (i assume) none of you are pro fighters, ie full time.
it is just so difficult to cover all the bases, ground, stand up, clinch etc.
i think that as an absolute minimum you need to do one aspect at least twice a week to get improvement consistently, yet that would mean training like six sessions a week which would cost a fortune and also take up heaps of time and energy from work, family etc.
it just shits me thats all... what do you think? do you think its better to choose one aspect and do that like 3-4 times a week and get really good at it, for example ground, rather than try to be a jack of all trades. i guess that is why so many arts specialise in one area predominantly. it seems its mostly mma guys that cover all the bases but they have the time and the need to survive in the ring. just blabbing i guess

[danfaggella]

i suppose its always good to at least have the basics down of any aspect of a mma spectrum. Thing is, its good to have one or two moves from those aspects that you like, and can be very effective with. Like for takedowns, its kinda lame to only work on them specifically all the time, but when you do, learn your stuff and stuck with the ones that feel good for you, thats my opinion

[stang]

Well I know I won't be able to train in two MA because I'm working for an electrical contractor, plus I have school to go along with it in the fall. I'm trying to be an electrician not a pro fighter lol. Those guys have to train, train, train, and train. I rather be in the gym than doing load calculations lol.

[danfaggella]

i dislike gyms, i like to just rumble

and ye its way better than work.. or school

not as good at heroin though

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by stang

Well I know I won't be able to train in two MA because I'm working for an electrical contractor, plus I have school to go along with it in the fall. I'm trying to be an electrician not a pro fighter lol....
...I('d) rather be in the gym than doing load calculations lol.

I could share notes with you but we should start a new thread in the OPEN forum.

If I wanted to build a complete house for myself I would study for a few years with an architect but before I pour the foundation maybe I should study with a cement contractor and for the nice little things like running water and utilities I might need to study with a plumber and an electrician before I pour the foundation. I will need to study for a while to install my HVAC system and of course I'll only want the best appliances. I'm thinking stainless steel myself. I'll want to study with a framer, a roofer, a paver and brick mason, it would make my house very practical and appealing to include quality craftsmanship and good finish work. On to flooring, insulating and cabinetry...The doors and windows will need extra security and then there's the landscaping, and I still need to learn surveying and excavating before I pour the foundation... To build a complete house we can just slam it all together or we can take the time to invest in our new home by learning the methods and techniques of the many trade(s) The foundation being the most important part of your house, of course.

You don't want to be installing your new stainless steel appliances only to realize you forgot to incorporate a drain in the floor for the ice maker...
Ya know?

[kiddbjj]

thanks for the reply mike, great stuff.
i guess my issue is that i am not sure whether to be more specialised, in my case bjj, say for 3-4 sessions a week plus 2-3 sessions gym & anearobic stuff, or to do say 2 sessions stand up & 2 sessions bjj & 2 sessions gym etc per week (however long i deem a week to be).
you chose boxing obviously as your main area, i definately love bjj and want to do that yet i feel like i should also balance it out with stand up stuff, thats where the time issue comes in.
i think i could really improve doing bjj 3-4 times a week compared to being more a jack of all master of none by spreading what time i have available more thinly.

really i just want to make the most of my time, but im not trying to be a pro i'm studying to be a school teacher! and self defence is not my main priority because i think that the majority of self defence is mental, awareness & avoidance etc. basically i just want something to commit myself to for many years and to attain a certain level of self mastery in, the idea of continually bettering myself in something over a long period of time really appeals to me, plus when i have a kid i'd love to be able to teach him/her bjj from when they are small so that they have the opportunity to excel...
end of rant

[chicken legs]

How many hours a day do you train Mike? I'm interested in where and how did you decide that you wanted to devote so much time to training? Are you able to train nearly fulltime because you have worked yourself into a comfortable financial position and can now focus on yourself? Are you employed within the fitness industry already.

I'm in two minds at the moment. Sorry I'm in the wrong forum sorto. I'm studying TCMA Kung fu based on Bagua, Xingyi and Tai chi but I'm intrigued by BJJ as are a lot of people. I'm also intrigued by cross training and its popularity, my teacher always says 'you train kung fu 6 days a week for health and 7 if you want to learn martial arts' - its a tough decision - whether to dedicate to 1 martial art 7 days a week or whether to cross train, I'm sure its been discussed many times on here though.

I guess what I'm really trying to ask is, are Martial artists doing their art a disservice by cross training, are people who cross train actually watering down the martial arts by bastardising their art with another. After all todays students are tomorrows teachers. I know some people may say its called evolution but to me the only way martial arts can evolve is by incorporating other styles, and in the long term we may eventually have less arts to learn, there may be more styles but will they one day all pretty much be the same. I do realise that there is a certain amount of individualism in anything, but can anybody see my point or counter it.

[EGstudent]

I break down mine into ranges weaponry, kickboxing, trapping (including the clinch and any other in fighting techniques), grappling. For completeness i find that to be the easiest way to break it down.

[danfaggella]

whoa ur gunna be a boxer, mike?

that messes up your head and thats a shame cuz you seem to have a nice one.

[chicken legs]

thanks for the response Mike, sorry I've been really busy this week and will respond next week.

thanks again.

[wardancer]

Originally Posted by kiddbjj

how do you guys break down your training considering that (i assume) none of you are pro fighters, ie full time.
it is just so difficult to cover all the bases, ground, stand up, clinch etc.
i think that as an absolute minimum you need to do one aspect at least twice a week to get improvement consistently, yet that would mean training like six sessions a week which would cost a fortune and also take up heaps of time and energy from work, family etc.
it just shits me thats all... what do you think? do you think its better to choose one aspect and do that like 3-4 times a week and get really good at it, for example ground, rather than try to be a jack of all trades. i guess that is why so many arts specialise in one area predominantly. it seems its mostly mma guys that cover all the bases but they have the time and the need to survive in the ring. just blabbing i guess

Just chill out!
I ain't pro.
Muy Thai is offered 6 days a week at 65 $ a month.
BJJ is $10 a classes. $150 unlimited a month (6 days a weeks).
However, my BJJ trainer (also BJJ coach) take a 25% of your purse earning, no classes fees if you are a MMA fighter.

[Patrick G.]

Originally Posted by Tant01

I could share notes with you but we should start a new thread in the OPEN forum.

If I wanted to build a complete house for myself I would study for a few years with an architect but before I pour the foundation maybe I should study with a cement contractor and for the nice little things like running water and utilities I might need to study with a plumber and an electrician before I pour the foundation. I will need to study for a while to install my HVAC system and of course I'll only want the best appliances. I'm thinking stainless steel myself. I'll want to study with a framer, a roofer, a paver and brick mason, it would make my house very practical and appealing to include quality craftsmanship and good finish work. On to flooring, insulating and cabinetry...The doors and windows will need extra security and then there's the landscaping, and I still need to learn surveying and excavating before I pour the foundation... To build a complete house we can just slam it all together or we can take the time to invest in our new home by learning the methods and techniques of the many trade(s) The foundation being the most important part of your house, of course.

You don't want to be installing your new stainless steel appliances only to realize you forgot to incorporate a drain in the floor for the ice maker...
Ya know?

that was beautiful!