Ultimate Fighter 2

[OmaPlata]

Walterweight Jorge Gurgel is Rich Franklins BJJ instructor, I guess Franklin has a brown belt under him. Cant wait to see Jorge fight, he looks pretty good.
the first episode sucked however

[SamuraiGuy]

Really Jorge is a blackbelt?

I knew he trained with Rich, didnt know that he TRAINED rich... sheesh.

Everyone is saying this episode sucked but I didnt think it was that bad, it weeded out the pussies... and next episode we get a fight.

I wonder how the teams will shape up?

and I look forward to seeing the first randy couture challenge, should be good.

[OmaPlata]

http://bjj.org/a/people/gurgel-jorge.html


I look guys up alot too see what their backgrounds are, they dont tell us shit on the show. One of the guys is blue belt, maybe he is a purple by now, Anthony Torres. The heavyweights look like big sluggers, none are BJJ guys I dont think.
http://www.spiketv.com/shows/series/...ml?bio=anthony

[majorfufu]

i missed show last night does anyone know what night and time they run the replay?

[Tameo]

The guys in ultimate fighting have little MA skill. They mostly rely on strength and agression to win theirfights and mostof the time look like drunken brawlers in an irish pub.

[SamuraiGuy]

^^^ of course, thats why Tank Abbot is the most dominating..... wait... no ... no he isnt...

How does that workout, the best brawler/streetfighter who runs forward and punches isnt dominating?... hmm...

[lopezma]

MajorFufu
Last year they re-played them on Sunday. That way you can see the one you missed on Suday and then catch the new one the next day!

[OmaPlata]

this guy started Coba Kai, wasnt that the karate kid's nemesis school in karate kid? anyway, this guy, Joe Stevenson, is also a BJJ black belt, him vs. Jorge will be some fight, stevenson is 190 as they said on the show, he needs to drop 20lbs, he may be too strong for Jorge. http://www.marclaimon.com/index.php?...tpage&Itemid=1

[OmaPlata]

correction, joes a brown belt

[Blue Wave Gym]

Originally Posted by majorfufu

i missed show last night does anyone know what night and time they run the replay?

but it's on on thursday and saturday check your local listings. All I remember was a buch of whinning and some dude talking mad shit.

[Sensei Saki]

Umm.
I don't think I have seen it.That is a rather sweeping generalization.

[SamuraiGuy]

Hey guys, check out this video of the welterweight who quit because he couldnt make weight.

http://www.realitycombat.tv/RCvideo/stevensko.wmv

Its a pretty interesting video I would have to say.

[95 Mystic TA]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

this guy started Coba Kai, wasnt that the karate kid's nemesis school in karate kid?

That is Cobra Kai I believe.

[CLittle]

I am a big fan of MMA and have been watching the UFC since day 1 (UFC 1) and have been watching Japanese versions since the King of Pancrase back in 1992 or 1993 (possibly later, senility is getting the best of me somedays ) but after watching last night I'm not going to watch the Ultimate Fighter 2 anymore.

I was a big fan of Ultimate Fighter 1, liked all the twists they did albeit a reality show but it was still well done. Watched the first Episode of Ultimate Fighter 2 and thought it was going to be a good followup until last night's fight between Melvin and Josh. My biggest fear over the years is that the MMA's would eventually become a shadow of Boxing where the "show" dictates the "skill" overall and last night put the foot in the door for me on the path to lameness.

They both seemed tentative during the fight, feeling each other out probably longer than seemed necessary but it was their first time fighting on the show ... could have been some tension, what have you.

The first round showed Josh doing some flashy takedowns (seems to be the new eye-catcher for Judges now, not only can I do a takedown but I can pick him up higher than 2 feet and slam him down like a WWE Wrestler Mom!) and outside of the flash of the takedown, it's still a "takedown". I proceeded to watch Melvin do a few reversals from the ground and even got up while I was unimpressed with Josh who left himself get into 2-3 potential guillotines. I say potential because a more skilled grappler would have put him unconscious quickly by watching Josh's defense against it. Josh gained full mount several times during the first round and did nothing except the odd lame elbow which did absolutely nothing to Melvin.

Second and third rounds were exactly the same as the first. Josh seemed ineffectual on top even with a FULL MOUNT which are most ground and pound
's wet dream when it comes to fighting and after hearing his pre-fight Interview about taking him down and doing the ground and pound, he apparently forgot to do it while having FULL MOUNT on Melvin several times. For the 2nd and 3rd rounds, Melvin proceeded to do more reversals, got in a good punch and kick (albeit without follow up but still) and even got out from under Josh several times.

We get to the end and the decision... unanimous for Josh. This puzzled me beyond belief because the man did nothing more than 2-3 flashy Takedowns... and NOTHING else. He was presented with Full Mount several times and failed to do anything about it. Josh never hit Melvin ONCE during the entire fight and I re-watched it via recording to make sure. Josh was presented several times with a bank crank which he seemed totally uninterested in until the 3rd round but by then he was too winded to do anything about it. Josh presented himself as a 'wrestler' each round and the smart defense against that is to wait for the shoot and deliver counter punches which Melvin did several times even though he was taken down a few times.

I hope others will start mentioning this around the scenes to see if UFC can get back to the MMA department and not the Flashy "Matt Hughes" Takendown hour. If MMA is going to end up where ground defense and takedown defense scores nothing in the eyes of the judges, but takedowns score ... it's going to become a very sad sport.

I hope I'm not the only one who thinks this. I didn't start this for a flame war, or to start an argument... I was just taken aback by the seeming lack of Martial Arts now involved in the scoring system.

[SamuraiGuy]

Martil arts are still very heavily involved in the scoring seen.

Takedowns are judged fairly I think, without a doubt they are pretty cool to see, but they are also one of the most important aspects of fighting. You have your standup striking, ground game grappling, and the transition between, the clinch/takedowns are the transition part.

1/3 of the fight seems like a pretty big factor into the judges score card for me.

He also one the fight due to other things, superior positioning for one. Your right he got the mount, and then the back, and then the mount. It takes skill to stay in those dominate positions. Think about this, if your constantly working just to stay in the mount, or on the guys back, you dont have enough time to hit them or sub them.

He got the win because he had the takedowns, the superior positioning, and he did attempt some submissions, he also did throw strikes, did you not see him knee melvins face into the cage?

I wanted Melvin to win, and I wasnt very impressed with this other guy, but he did win the fight, whether it was from lay and pray or not, he won. Melvin had his chances to win, he didnt capitalize on them though, and believe me, if Melvin had that Guillotine deep, the other guy would have tapped, but you know what he just didnt have it sunk, melvin needed better ground fighting, and I cant believe he couldnt fight off his back with a Brown Belt BJJ coach, and a Black Belt BJJ teammate.

Also, the reason they pick them up so high when they take them down, is because it hurts more and stuns them more, who wants to do a leg tackle, when you can get a double leg slam, its far more painful, plus you end up in the side mount instead of the gaurd, are you sure youve been watching since UFC 1, I thought that stuff was pretty basic.