The Ultimate in Martial Arts

mixwell · 09-01-2005, 01:17 AM

Okay if you got into a fight and ended rear naked choking someone till they passed out, what happens to them ? Assuming you release the choke once they pass out about how long would it take before they regained conciousness ? Trianle choke would be the same thing too right ?

LoneHusky · 09-01-2005, 01:33 AM

if the choke is done right your opponent should never regain conciousness.

aseepish · 09-01-2005, 03:00 AM

According to this article http://bjj.org/articles/971008-revive/ it takes about 20 seconds to regain consciousness.

SamuraiGuy · 09-01-2005, 10:48 AM

Let.... go?... what?....

lol joking.. in all seriousness.. probably about.. .30 minutes... I mean with you kicking them in the head and all as they lie there unconcious...

now seriously... about 20 seconds I would imagine, enough time for you to run away anyway....

or kick them in the head...

**gregimotis** · 09-01-2005, 11:24 AM

In fights I've seen its a few seconds of total unconciousness and a few more seconds until coherent - so 15-20 seconds sounds about right.

For informational purposes - I've put the choke on once or twice in bar/bouncer situations and never put anybody out cold. Before they pass out, you can feel them start to get weak and compliant, then you can release some pressure. I'd suggest that doing it that way is just as effective and less risky.

Speaking as an EMT, here's one danger of a choke-out:

A person's windpipe is protected from material going down to the stomach by a fold of flesh in the throat which creates a one-way door. This door doesn't work with stuff (vomit) coming back up. The only real protection from vomit entering the windpipe is the cough reflex which does not function on an unc. victim. that person has a much increased risk of aspirating vomit and choking - and sucking that vomit further into his lungs and choking some more.
The reader can see where I'm going with this... Your guy has just been in a high stress, high exertion situation (fighting), he may be drunk or on something, and now he's unconscious. Think about this when you get that choke sunk and put the pressure on.

mixwell · 09-01-2005, 11:34 AM

Thanks for the information.. I was just curious. Because I have seen BJJ matches on highlight dvds and what not I have seen a couple of people get choked out, Thats why I was curious on the time.. I know Husky if done they will never come back but i personally would release the choke as soon as i felt the persons body go limp.. Now if i wanted to kill them i would hold on for maybe another 20 seconds or so.

Blue Wave Gym · 09-01-2005, 12:16 PM

just remember not to drop them on their head on the cement after you choke them out LOL

Tant01 · 09-01-2005, 12:33 PM

The time it takes a person to regain consiousness after a choke depends a good deal on how long the choke was applied. I've seen examples where it took 20 minutes! five or ten minutes is about average if you choke them OUT. If you release the choke immediatly the effects are much more temporary lasting for as few as 10-20 seconds.

LoneHusky · 09-01-2005, 02:05 PM

I reccomend killing them so you don't have to worry about another attack. If there intent is to kill you I see no reason to show them mercy.

Tant01 · 09-01-2005, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneHusky

I reccomend killing them so you don't have to worry about another attack. If there intent is to kill you I see no reason to show them mercy.

I think you made that pretty clear with your last post. I tend to agree but the law might have a slightly different view of SD. Once you choke him out he is no longer a threat to you. Doing further harm might make you a murderer in the eyes of the court. Kicking or stomping them while they are out is no better than what they might do to you. Don't be that. There is hope afterall that this guy(s) might see the light and become productive law abiding citizens...

That's part of the beauty of a choke. Easily reversed effects that render your attacker helpless in seconds... Why kill them? I mean if he has a weapon I could see inflicting some (serious) trauma but nothing a trip through the operating room can't fix. Teach them a lesson, yes. Kill them... maybe not? I wonder about the justification for SD since the DA will likely charge you with some crime(s) should your victim/ attacker die...

Sensei Saki · 09-01-2005, 04:26 PM

Me? Thanks for
pointing that pretty clear with your last post out.Do you mind if I tell other people:
said tend to agree but the law might have a slightly different view of SD.When? Thanks for the information:
said I choke him out he is no longer a threat to me.How does doing that make you feel?I think there might be a few exception.I was not trying to be a that.There sure is.Makes sense to me.Can you be more accurate about the time?
Reductionism.Oh I get it. Thanks for explaining that. I don't follow your reasoning.What about other times?Killing is wrong.Perhaps. Are you serious?You are curious about about the justification for SD since the DA will likely charge you with some crimes should your victim attacker die.

Tant01 · 09-01-2005, 04:28 PM

You sure know how to hack a post...

Blue Wave Gym · 09-03-2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneHusky

I reccomend killing them so you don't have to worry about another attack. If there intent is to kill you I see no reason to show them mercy.

I don't like taking communal showers with guys covered in tatoos and wearing an ass guard. Even in basic training we had individual shower units with shower curtains on then instead of that gay ass communal shower high school thing thank goodness.

09-01-2005, 01:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
mixwell Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 100 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just curious about chokes. Okay if you got into a fight and ended rear naked choking someone till they passed out, what happens to them ? Assuming you release the choke once they pass out about how long would it take before they regained conciousness ? Trianle choke would be the same thing too right ?

09-01-2005, 01:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
LoneHusky Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 575 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	if the choke is done right your opponent should never regain conciousness. __________________

09-01-2005, 03:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
aseepish Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,758 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	According to this article http://bjj.org/articles/971008-revive/ it takes about 20 seconds to regain consciousness. __________________ "It was about that time I realized that searching was my symbol, the emblem of those who go out at night with nothing in mind, the motives of a destroyer of compasses." -Cortázar

09-01-2005, 10:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
SamuraiGuy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,866 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Let.... go?... what?.... lol joking.. in all seriousness.. probably about.. .30 minutes... I mean with you kicking them in the head and all as they lie there unconcious... now seriously... about 20 seconds I would imagine, enough time for you to run away anyway.... or kick them in the head... __________________ "a few User CP's that are pretty significant ones(like a BoarSpear or SamuraiGuy one). " - GracieHunter I choke people, I dont poke people. -- Me Were you born to resist or be abused? I swear I'll never give in, I refuse. -- Foo Fighters I want a girl that spends more time on her back than Royce Gracie. I'll knee you in the face like your name was Josh Koschek -- Me

09-01-2005, 11:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
gregimotis Premiere Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Still residing in the Premiere members booth Posts: 2,011 Groans: 4 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	In fights I've seen its a few seconds of total unconciousness and a few more seconds until coherent - so 15-20 seconds sounds about right. For informational purposes - I've put the choke on once or twice in bar/bouncer situations and never put anybody out cold. Before they pass out, you can feel them start to get weak and compliant, then you can release some pressure. I'd suggest that doing it that way is just as effective and less risky. Speaking as an EMT, here's one danger of a choke-out: A person's windpipe is protected from material going down to the stomach by a fold of flesh in the throat which creates a one-way door. This door doesn't work with stuff (vomit) coming back up. The only real protection from vomit entering the windpipe is the cough reflex which does not function on an unc. victim. that person has a much increased risk of aspirating vomit and choking - and sucking that vomit further into his lungs and choking some more. The reader can see where I'm going with this... Your guy has just been in a high stress, high exertion situation (fighting), he may be drunk or on something, and now he's unconscious. Think about this when you get that choke sunk and put the pressure on. __________________ . . I am Tired. Tired. Tired.

09-01-2005, 11:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
mixwell Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 100 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the information.. I was just curious. Because I have seen BJJ matches on highlight dvds and what not I have seen a couple of people get choked out, Thats why I was curious on the time.. I know Husky if done they will never come back but i personally would release the choke as soon as i felt the persons body go limp.. Now if i wanted to kill them i would hold on for maybe another 20 seconds or so.

09-01-2005, 12:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
Blue Wave Gym Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 965 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	hey just remember not to drop them on their head on the cement after you choke them out LOL __________________ Tiens, voila du boudin, voila du boudin, voila du boudin Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses, et les Lorrains Pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus, pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus Ce sont des tireurs au cul. Tireurs au cul

09-01-2005, 12:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 5,935 Groans: 0 Groaned at 15 Times in 10 Posts	The time it takes a person to regain consiousness after a choke depends a good deal on how long the choke was applied. I've seen examples where it took 20 minutes! five or ten minutes is about average if you choke them OUT. If you release the choke immediatly the effects are much more temporary lasting for as few as 10-20 seconds. __________________ "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur." James Paterson

09-01-2005, 02:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
LoneHusky Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 575 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I reccomend killing them so you don't have to worry about another attack. If there intent is to kill you I see no reason to show them mercy. __________________

09-01-2005, 04:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
Sensei Saki "Endless Wisdom" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Cyberspace Posts: 781 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Me? Thanks for pointing that pretty clear with your last post out.Do you mind if I tell other people: said tend to agree but the law might have a slightly different view of SD.When? Thanks for the information: said I choke him out he is no longer a threat to me.How does doing that make you feel?I think there might be a few exception.I was not trying to be a that.There sure is.Makes sense to me.Can you be more accurate about the time? Reductionism.Oh I get it. Thanks for explaining that. I don't follow your reasoning.What about other times?Killing is wrong.Perhaps. Are you serious?You are curious about about the justification for SD since the DA will likely charge you with some crimes should your victim attacker die.

09-01-2005, 04:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tant01 Humble Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Northern Ca. USA Posts: 5,935 Groans: 0 Groaned at 15 Times in 10 Posts	You sure know how to hack a post... __________________ "In all countries where personal freedom is valued, however much each individual may rely on legal redress, the right of each to carry arms - and these the best and the sharpest - for his own protection in case of extremity, is a right of nature indelible and irrepressible, and the more it is sought to be repressed the more it will recur." James Paterson

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