BJJ and Muay Thai

[mpossoff]

Hi all,

I'm new to this group and am interested in getting into MA.

There is a school near me in Philadelphia, PA that teaches both BJJ and Muay Thai.

You can choose to cross train in both.

From what I'm told Muay Thai and BJJ are a perfect combo to cross train especially in REAL self defense on the street.

Muay Thai as defense against multiple oppenents and BJJ if and when a fight ends on the ground.

I'm interested in pure true self defense and would like others thouhgts.

Thanks,

Marc

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[bigboywasim]

I am planning to take both fighting styles as well. I did a lot of research and MT and BJJ are like the best for learning how to fight. Also if you can do some training in American Boxing as well as something like wrestling it will improve your skills in MT as well as BJJ. The reason is that in MT you usually use your hands for setting up the kicks. You learn some good boxing moves but not as well as a boxer. If you know how to box as well as a boxer then you can use those skills to your advantage. Your hands will be more deadly. Also in BJJ you learn good ways to take down or even throw your opponent on the ground but the skills are not as good as a wrestler would learn. To improve those skills take some wrestling. After learning these styles you should be difficult to beat. All other aspects of these two styles are excellent.

[JkD187]

jump right into that gym, there nothing beter to learn then martial arts where no matter what a person dose u have an immediate response(s) to anything he dose. Many arts work when train against a resisting opponent but the arts the are more effecient then other would have to be muay thai/boxing,bjj and wrestling.

[OmaPlata]

those would be the two best to know, if you cant kick the guys ass standing up, take him down and put him to sleep or break bones

[theprophet]

Do it mang

[danfaggella]

basically MMA = MT + BJJ, there pretty much aren't any other martial arts in MMA, everyone does it.

[mpossoff]

Originally Posted by danfaggella

basically MMA = MT + BJJ, there pretty much aren't any other martial arts in MMA, everyone does it.

what does MMA stand for?

Marc

[danfaggella]

mixed-martial arts.

which basically means training in Brazilian Jujutsu and Muai Thai

[JkD187]

first off everyone trains its because its the most effective fighting arts there are period.boxing and judo, sambo and savate etc etc are all effective too but you rarely see lots of fighters use them because bjj combined with wrestling is pretty much all you need for grappling to be successfull, there are many grappling and striking arts, however if you want to be successfull and espically at a high level u will train those arts or u woulnt be that good at all.

[BrAz!LiAn TiG3R]

Originally Posted by danfaggella

mixed-martial arts.

which basically means training in Brazilian Jujutsu and Muai Thai

Yeah those are two key components of MMA, but wrestling is part of that trinity of most effective styles for real fights. There have been other combinations that seem more effective against some styles rather than others. Like Dan Henderson is a wrestler that learned good boxing, and when Renzo couldn't take him down he was knocked out. Styles like Judo don't tend to do well against BJJ because it has a much higher emphasis on throwing the opponent down, and of course that's where the BJJ artist is superior. It's a neverending sport.

[covaliufan]

While boxing/muay thai and bjj are criticial components in mma, wrestling is equally important, and could even be argued as most important.

Want to work your ground submissions? You need to be able to take down your opponent. Want to ground and pound from the top position? You need to be able to take your opponent down. Want to knock out your opponent on your feet with that gnarly muay thai? You need to be able to defend your opponent's take downs.

That's not to mention the incredible importance of wrestling when fighting from the clinch.

In a modern mma fight, it's the superior wrestler who has the decision of what range the fight will enter. It's no coincidence that so many of the top fighters are former wrestlers.

[Uke]

Originally Posted by mpossoff

Hi all,

I'm new to this group and am interested in getting into MA.

There is a school near me in Philadelphia, PA that teaches both BJJ and Muay Thai.

You can choose to cross train in both.

From what I'm told Muay Thai and BJJ are a perfect combo to cross train especially in REAL self defense on the street.

Muay Thai as defense against multiple oppenents and BJJ if and when a fight ends on the ground.

I'm interested in pure true self defense and would like others thouhgts.

Thanks,

Marc

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Again, if you are interested in "pure" self defense, DO NOT FOCUS ON BJJ.
On the street, it will definitely get you killed. If you watch any UFC, or NHB type show, the guys who are doing BJJ are lying on the ground for what seems like an hour. Even when the Gracies have their so-called street fights, they have an entourage with them, to keep the fight 1 on 1. That is not reality whatsoever in the street. In a one on one situation where there are no other people to interfere, and the other person absolutely has no weapons(the likelyhood of this is 1000 to 1), BJJ is very good. But self defense means that you are defending yourself in todays conditions that you cannot control. I've seen guys go to the ground and get stomped half to death, because it was instinct for them because of their BJJ training. Would you be willing to go to the guard on the dancefloor of a nightclub, where people have bottles and are wearing boots and high heels? Did you know that once you have someone in the guard, if they have a weapon they can stab you to death? Even with a pen.

[mpossoff]

Originally Posted by Uke

Again, if you are interested in "pure" self defense, DO NOT FOCUS ON BJJ.
On the street, it will definitely get you killed. If you watch any UFC, or NHB type show, the guys who are doing BJJ are lying on the ground for what seems like an hour. Even when the Gracies have their so-called street fights, they have an entourage with them, to keep the fight 1 on 1. That is not reality whatsoever in the street. In a one on one situation where there are no other people to interfere, and the other person absolutely has no weapons(the likelyhood of this is 1000 to 1), BJJ is very good. But self defense means that you are defending yourself in todays conditions that you cannot control. I've seen guys go to the ground and get stomped half to death, because it was instinct for them because of their BJJ training. Would you be willing to go to the guard on the dancefloor of a nightclub, where people have bottles and are wearing boots and high heels? Did you know that once you have someone in the guard, if they have a weapon they can stab you to death? Even with a pen.

Are you saying that Muay Thai would help "enhance"?

Marc

[Uke]

Yes, I am. It would help enhance your strikes, condition your limbs and working on your timing when getting into CQ(close quarters). Also, it would help get you acquainted with what its like to be hit really hard. No matter what anyone tells you, you HAVE to be hit in order to know how you will react in a real fight. Muay Thai will help you with that if you spar. However, I have to make it clear that while you can gain alot from Muay Thai, its a traditional martial art, and it teaches you to fight in bouts, like kickboxing does. My advice is to adopt the strikes and conditioning, but don't get too caught up in the sparring. If you do, you'll have a problem. You said you wanted "pure" self defense, not sport. You fight how you train, my friend. There is no switch you flip in the street that takes you from sport to self defense. Muay Thai can make you a devastating striker, but it can also have you fighting a bout that looks like K-1 in the streets, which is a bout that usually goes on and on until someone lands a KO punch or kick. Self defense situations aren't supposed to last 3 seconds, let alone a minute. So if you start low kicking a guy's leg for about 60 seconds until he can't walk ... yeah, you could win that way. However in the street, the introduction of a weapon can happen at any time, so you can't risk an altercation going on that long. You also have to end an altercation before the guy can call for help, or before his friends see what's happened and get involved.

Keep the strikes and conditioning. Lose the kickboxing strategy. Trust me, what looks good in the ring and in the movies will get you killed quick on the street. No one is fighting fair, so you'd better be prepared.

[Tom Yum]

Hi Uke,

How about gaining control in the clinch and popping off a knee or two? Have you ever had someone land a solid knee into your body? That's a ring technique. How about slipping a punch and slamming a thai kick straight into the thigh or into the knee? Also a ring technique.

Ok, establishing a jab is a ring technique that you would never do for self defense. How about hooking off the jab and then sneaking a push kick to the groin?

I think there's a lot of self defense in muay thai, again assuming its starting off empty handed.