Why BJJ is the Ultimate Martial Art

[HtTKar]

Puahahaha... You’re right... It is a far tangent... Although, your story does remind me of karate and kung-fu. When first introduced, people figured a reverse punch or chi power could kill. Now, it’s common knowledge both are as useless in combat as ballet.

yeah it was a tangent, the point being that just because something works well in the eyes of judges, doesnt mean that it works everywhere else.

By the way, a reverse punch does work. Its called a right cross in boxing, and people get KO'd by them all the time. They can KO a person or be a nice setup for a takedown.

[OmaPlata]

Whats a "kali guy with a knife"?

[cam427]

Don't guys who do Kali use Knives? I thought they did. Oh well substitute any decent knife wielding martial art.

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

Whats a "kali guy with a knife"?

DEADLY AS HELL

BTW guys if you arent sure who does what or how they go about it, ya might wanna realize your knowledge base needs work

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by pstevens

No it’s not... Uke is a certified moron.

hmmm resorting to name calling already....that certainily proves the base of knowledge and maturity level youre working from

Originally Posted by pstevens

Wrong!!! BJJ guys only started cross training, because others realized how powerful its delivery system was and learned it.

well that makes a NO sense...BJJ is SO effective that when the other styles learned bjj, the bjj people crosstrained in striking arts you claim dont work?
MORE of your fine logic

Originally Posted by pstevens

I don’t really care for Uke’s responses or backward logic (actually, he has none)... I’m more interested in proving my point. As much as I like karate, kung-fu, wrestling, etc... They wouldn’t stand a chance against BJJ.

we can tell you dont like it when people question your religion....and you are uninterested in input from others who you consider mentally challenged if they dare disagree with you....

Originally Posted by pstevens

Mongolian wrestling will not win you a UFC title.

now youre floundering...mongolian wrestling is designed to kill and cripple which is against the rules of your sport (and MW isnt a sport)...thier throws on a mat will still stun you, but wont finish you on a mat i agree. however on a sidewalk they will split your skull....bjj to be polite SUCKS AT THROWS... however you tackle pretty well but football might be better for teaching tackles...and the single and double leg takedowns are wrestling...granted if you wake up in the middle of the night with an attacker in bed with you bjj would be a good place to start the fight from....but if walking down the street you better have some stand up skills and throws to augment your groundskills or the mongolian wrestler (or any other wrestler) might drop you on your head when you close on him.

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by pstevens

No it’s not... Uke is a certified moron.

Wrong!!! BJJ guys only started cross training, because others realized how powerful its delivery system was and learned it.

Repetition in training is good, repetition is posting is pretentous

[medic06]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

so youre saying NO traditional Martial Art could ever stand up to BJJ?

Maybe Japanese professional wrestling. Oh, wait, that's not traditional!!

[pstevens]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

now youre floundering...mongolian wrestling is designed to kill and cripple which is against the rules of your sport (and MW isnt a sport)...thier throws on a mat will still stun you, but wont finish you on a mat i agree. however on a sidewalk they will split your skull....bjj to be polite SUCKS AT THROWS... however you tackle pretty well but football might be better for teaching tackles...and the single and double leg takedowns are wrestling...granted if you wake up in the middle of the night with an attacker in bed with you bjj would be a good place to start the fight from....but if walking down the street you better have some stand up skills and throws to augment your groundskills or the mongolian wrestler (or any other wrestler) might drop you on your head when you close on him.

Mongolian wrestling isn't a deadly art, otherwise it would have been integrated into every martial art by now... I've seen Mongolian wrestling as a SPORT. It's not even close to judo. Also, throwing isn't a big issue. You can negate 90% of all throws just by basing out. Besides, of the hundreds of judo throws taught, only a handful work outside the context of judo. The same can be said about most arts that feature throws.

Now why don't you run home to Sensei Saki, I mean uke.

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by pstevens

Mongolian wrestling isn't a deadly art, otherwise it would have been integrated into every martial art by now... I've seen Mongolian wrestling as a SPORT. It's not even close to judo. Also, throwing isn't a big issue. You can negate 90% of all throws just by basing out. Besides, of the hundreds of judo throws taught, only a handful work outside the context of judo. The same can be said about most arts that feature throws.

Now why don't you run home to Sensei Saki, I mean uke.

you are very seriously misinformed about about mongolian wrestling, among things... i noticed in helio's ass whoopin from Kimura how little throws matter and how "easily" gjj negated them...

Sling some more insults, because i suspect they are the most effective thing in your arsenal.

[pstevens]

Originally Posted by cam427

PStevens,

Let me attempt to respond to your points.

1) I do agree that as a delivery system BJJ is better than some other styles such as your example with a TKD guy but.... what if you had a Thai boxer or wrestler against the same blue belt. Would the result be the same?

Maybe...Maybe not.

Your statement was that BJJ was better than all other styles without defining the context (a huge statement).

I never said BJJ guys would never lose. The context is the best overall martial art. For instance, a person could spend 20 years doing MT, knock out tons of guys, then face a BJJ guy who takes him down and submits him under a minute. Now, the odds that he can knock out the BJJ guy before he gets the takedown is there... But, it's not as good, in fact, not even close to the odds of the BJJ guy. It's much easier to take someone down, than to knock them out.

Now examine the path taken by the BJJ guy. He's sparred for about 2-5 years and has all his nerves working. He may not even have the build of a fighter, but his techniques allow him to defeat fighters of larger size.

[pstevens]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

you are very seriously misinformed about about mongolian wrestling, among things... i noticed in helio's ass whoopin from Kimura how little throws matter and how "easily" gjj negated them...

Sling some more insults, because i suspect they are the most effective thing in your arsenal.

Please show us these "deadly" Mongolian arts. Where have they killed people, outside of Mongolian wrestling tournaments?

Insults!?... I thought you only responded to insults...

[pstevens]

Originally Posted by HtTKar

yeah it was a tangent, the point being that just because something works well in the eyes of judges, doesnt mean that it works everywhere else.

By the way, a reverse punch does work. Its called a right cross in boxing, and people get KO'd by them all the time. They can KO a person or be a nice setup for a takedown.

Sorry, but a reverse punch is not a right cross... The mechanics are different. You couldn't hurt a fly with a reverse punch (literally).

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by pstevens

Please show us these "deadly" Mongolian arts. Where have they killed people, outside of Mongolian wrestling tournaments?

Insults!?... I thought you only responded to insults...

ever heard of shuai chaio? it is the decendant of mongolian wrestling...and i do believe the Iron Butterfly more than proved its worthiness, however if you want to travel to fl come on down i will be more than happy to explain the usefulness and effectiveness of a throw executed in such a way the back of your head hits the concrete before anything else....do you know what the "chin jab and trip" is? It is considered to be one of the most effective COMBAT applications from Defendu. Combine that move with a "chopping throw" from shuai chaio, thats a fairly good start to understanding Mongolian wrestling...

as for the insults it just that its the language of trolls and idiots so i am forced to learn them to communicate with the likes of you.

[JkD187]

a person trained ONLY in muay thai,boxing,wrestling or any single art you can think of will get beat by bjj.Muay thai fighters will get taken down regardless of how "bad" bjj guys takedowns are just bc muay thai dose not teach takedown defense same with boxing or any other striking art in existance.wrestlers or judoka will get beat because because they dont have the sub defense or submission skills (yes judo has subs but not as refined as bjj unless you compare it to kosen judo) to compete with a bjj guy.Do you see the example im making?....people realized the above and said damn i gotta learn how to avoid these subs and takedowns.then they learned to apply subs and started using takedowns,you see its all about evolution.....the point of this post is the the ultimate ma is CROSS TRAINING. now adays you can take argubally the best grappler in the world pound 4 pound:Marcelo garcia and but him up against someone like chuck liddell and liddell will dominate easily,why because he has the superiour takedown defense and sub defense to deal with marcelo and the striking is obviously chucks, he would ko marcelo easily.Dose this mean bjj sucks? not by a long shot dose this mean that the above arts suck? not a chance....what rules everything is cross training you must be prepared for everything....and that ladies and gentleman is the ultimate in martial arts.

[Garland]

Originally Posted by pstevens

Afterall, a good technique can be applied to any arena...

Okay...gimme a BJJ guy in a boxing ring, marquis of queensbury rules.
Or in Lumpinee stadium under thai rules...
Or an old style no-rules one on one FMA fight like Floro Villabrille used to compete in...with sticks.

Cam's dead on.

Arenas have rules....rules are limitations. Arena's limit the number of techniques and tools you can apply...The UFC might be different if you could groin grab, gouge, or bite...or even kick and stomp a downed opponent's face. There are always equalizers...