Why BJJ is the Ultimate Martial Art

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by Garland

The UFC might be different if you could groin grab, gouge, or bite...or even kick and stomp a downed opponent's face. There are always equalizers...

HEY WTF?? thats unsportsmanlike conduct!! and you will be disqualified!!!
what do you think we are doing here discussing fighting?? STICK TO THE RULES !!!

Next youre gonna mention weapons being carried on the street fer christ sake get with the program this is a SPORT THREAD

[Garland]

Look at the title of the thread, "BJJ=ULTIMATE 'martial' art" Not ultimate fighting sport.

Unsportsmanlike?...gentlemen's rules are for duels.
fighting in a ring is not fighting for keeps.
Ultimate denotes ultimate...all situations, all uses. (sport & combat)

[IPON]

Originally Posted by pstevens

As much as people want to deny it, BJJ is the ultimate martial art... It has been proven over and over again in the most realistic scenario - competition. This is TRUE because without BJJ in their repetoire, other styles would consistently lose to BJJ. There very, very few scenarios, if any, where another style defeated BJJ, without using elements of BJJ.

Self-defense fanatics and TMA's will claim to hold secret and upracticeable technques, but we've heard all that talk before, without any results... The truth is if these "deadly" tactics are so functional, then why don't they work? Afterall, a good technique can be applied to any arena...

Until these fantastic systems can produce observable results, they have nothing and the burden of proof lies with them...

Where are you going with this silly thread man!?!?!?

1. a dominate style does not mean ultimate the very fact that that one must cross train makes that point.

2. Look this is just silly are we back in 1993. Yes some TMAs are BS at the level of teh instructor. The greatest thing the the UFC did was force everyone to train hard, but there are a variety of ways to train an difference is not bad or wrong or inferior

3. If you want to prove killing techniques then you have to have a death match. Leavander Johnson dies lasyt week shortly after his fight with Chaveez so I guess boxing is the deadliest MA.

4. You do undertstand that there are rules, research on each opponent, etc. I don't know how many times I have to keep saying this.......That not fighting or SD when you have fixed varibles. Why is it so difficult for people to understand?

5. You started this thread "the truth of BJJ" completly contradicting yourself
http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/s...728#post117728

6. Keep believing that reverse punches have no power , if you have an encounter and ever wake up please go directly to church for confession "oh father I have sinned IPON tried to showed me the klight but I would not listen"

7. The problem with a lot of BJJer no is that they are almost (and not by much) as fanatical as JKD pratiocioners. People beat people MAs are tools to make us better or more efficient at surviving generally speaking and with all things being relatively equal, a person with no training is at disadvantage to a person with training (again being general). My point is that if you heard story about a BJJ BB going into a bar and getting his ass handed to them the response is "NOT POSSIBLE, THE FACTS ARE NOT RIGHT, ETC" instead of shit who was that guy what happened". As you put your post BJJ is not invincible. The Blue belt is not magic and saying a Blue or purple could beat ayone in any other style is a joke.

8. I have respect for BJJ and will study it someday but is not a loss for not having it. But my opion of the effectiveness has not changed from the early UFCs. Piss poor takedows from BJJ give me no fear. pure wrestlers own BJJer and it have been proven the difference is submission. Pulling guard is not the only resource, th guard the steel trash cans on the street of NYC take care of that that's my guard pass...wrestlers GNP very well.


I am tired of typing...no fighting style is a magic bullet.....but if you prefer BJJ fine hope it works for you. But don't but somone down for studding JJ unless you are prepared to have a true NHB with abolutly no rule. (BTW it doesn't exist nor should it)

my $20.00

[BoarSpear]

check it out ....evidence of wrestling and the gaurds dominance in a street fight!
http://www.thatsfucked.org/big-vs-small.php

and this one proves how great an idea the shoot is ......
i removed this clip when i realized there was porn on the page ...but go to totally shocking dot com and enter flying knee....watch the guy attempt a double leg take down and eat a flying knee to the face for it.....knocking him totally out!



why going to ground is a good idea outside the ring

http://www.thatsfucked.org/forest-fight.php

these clips should shut all the gjj bashers right up.... as you can plainly see the ground is the place to be and the shoot will put you there the quickest.

[Garland]

probably what this forum would look like if everybody were speaking in person. EVERY MAN FOR THEMSELVES!!! mucho funo...

[BoarSpear]

Originally Posted by Garland

probably what this forum would look like if everybody were speaking in person. EVERY MAN FOR THEMSELVES!!! mucho funo...

OH MAN thats SO FUNNY and yet so true.....

[Garland]

If they would only calm down and listen they'd realize that they are unique and interesting individuals whom everyone loves. Be like the Bonobos...make love not war...drop acid not bombs...and drop them droors cuz I'm comin' afta yo ass, suckas.....MWA HA HA HA HA HA.

You gotta realize...that you don't know what I like and what I like to do...but you best listen to me, CUZ I'MA EAT YO BRAINS!!!

Realize that I iz dumb. Dumb as hell.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

check it out ....evidence of wrestling and the gaurds dominance in a street fight!
http://www.thatsfucked.org/big-vs-small.php.

I'm sorry. What was that supposed to prove?

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

and this one proves how great an idea the shoot is ......
i removed this clip when i realized there was porn on the page ...but go to totally shocking dot com and enter flying knee....watch the guy attempt a double leg take down and eat a flying knee to the face for it.....knocking him totally out! .

You should have left the link!

Anyway, if you showed a video of someone throwing a punch and then getting knocked out (by a counter punch, or whatever really) would that 'prove' that punching is a bad idea?

[Sensei Saki]

Perhaps next time I will try it.I think I do.No I never get confused.

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

why going to ground is a good idea outside the ring

http://www.thatsfucked.org/forest-fight.php
.

What? You couldn't find any Three Stooges vids?

[OmaPlata]

[ Chuck Liddell along with everyone else today trains submissions, which is a bi-product of BJJ, or BJJ itself. If he didn’t know BJJ, I seriously doubt he would be able to use his stand-up skills.]


WTF are you talking about? LOL. Chuck Liddel was a Div1 A wrestler, he avoids takedowns because of that, not BJJ. Im die hard BJJ, but facts are facts

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

WTF are you talking about? LOL. Chuck Liddel was a Div1 A wrestler

Which alone places him miles and miles above 99.9999% of the 'Black Belt/Sash/whatever' crowd.

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by BoarSpear

you are very seriously misinformed about about mongolian wrestling, among things... i noticed in helio's ass whoopin from Kimura how little throws matter and how "easily" gjj negated them...

Sling some more insults, because i suspect they are the most effective thing in your arsenal.

[. i noticed in helio's ass whoopin from Kimura how little throws matter and how "easily" gjj negated them... ]

Helio was way smaller, and he was still perfecting BJJ at the time, since it didnt even "exist" really. A Black Belt of today of Helios size, would destroy Kimura.
Funny though is Sak breaking Renzo Gracies arm via a kimura in Pride, how Renzo fell for that was ridiculous.

[OmaPlata]

[...The UFC might be different if you could groin grab, gouge, or bite...or even kick and stomp a downed opponent's face. There are always equalizers...]

-I agree, let people guage at Royce Gracies eyes, and then bite him, that should get him and nice and pissed off enough to snap arms when he gets a hold of them, or choke the opponent to death. Why not fight to the death then?