Dirty boxing and knees

Blue Wave Gym · 10-04-2005, 02:26 PM

read an interasting article in for fighters only mag about different of db and clinching one thing though kneeing people in mma has never made much sense to me for a few reasons
1. the knee is very fragile so raming into someones skull is crazy to me and kneeing someone in the face me be good, but what if you knock their teeth out do you want bloody teeth cutting your knee(got bit on the hand and chest once while bouncing and got an infection) so maybe just da jaw
2. if you're not supposed to high kick because of the off balaencing/take down issues in mma, then why risk someone grabing your kee (when doing knees to the body) and doing a nice intentional slam to injure??????

seanyseanybean · 10-04-2005, 02:50 PM

all good points, with only one flaw to the arguement which is that knees have been tried and tested and have proved to be very effective,

Oreomeister365 · 10-04-2005, 03:02 PM

I would think when kneeing it is particularly harder to get a hold of it like you would a lanky kick.

NJstomp · 10-04-2005, 03:07 PM

did you see the fight last night on Spike. Brandon Vera and Drew Fickett both one by way of Knee to the head.

JkD187 · 10-04-2005, 03:30 PM

knees are not fragile they are one of the strongest bones in your body....1.head 2.knees3.elbows

SamuraiGuy · 10-04-2005, 07:08 PM

Knees are fragile if you hit them at the side... laterally your knees are weak, but in a linear move, backwards than forwards your knees are very strong.

Im a big fan of knees, they are definetly a tried tested and true effective weapon, sure theres a downside to them , but theres a downside to every technique...

haha... stupid clown hair Josh Koschek got beaten.. .and he totally owned the guy the whole fight... haha...

Zapatista · 10-04-2005, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

haha... stupid clown hair Josh Koschek got beaten.. .and he totally owned the guy the whole fight... haha...

I saw that and I laughed. I told my friend (I was at his house watching it, since I don't have cable) that he deserved to lose because his hair annoyed me.

Garland · 10-04-2005, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Wave Gym

read an interasting article in for fighters only mag about different of db and clinching one thing though kneeing people in mma has never made much sense to me for a few reasons
1. the knee is very fragile so raming into someones skull is crazy to me and kneeing someone in the face me be good, but what if you knock their teeth out do you want bloody teeth cutting your knee(got bit on the hand and chest once while bouncing and got an infection) so maybe just da jaw
2. if you're not supposed to high kick because of the off balaencing/take down issues in mma, then why risk someone grabing your kee (when doing knees to the body) and doing a nice intentional slam to injure??????

WHAT?!

dude....I would dearly love to demonstrate how wrong that argument is, but I think you'll find out in time. (not too many MMA guys know how to throw good knees, though. look to the few that do, pele landi, vanderlei, people from a muay thai background...can easily split somebodies dome with a knee. To the top of the head...eh...you don't even do the same damage (unless you generate enough force to cause axial loading, or hit the brain box or some shit at the back of the occipital lope), in the clinche you try for their face.)

Jab902 · 10-04-2005, 09:17 PM

head, shoulders, KNEES and toes, KNEES and toes
head, shoulders, KNEES and toes, KNEES and toes

Blue Wave Gym · 10-05-2005, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamuraiGuy

Knees are fragile if you hit them at the side... laterally your knees are weak, but in a linear move, backwards than forwards your knees are very strong.

Im a big fan of knees, they are definetly a tried tested and true effective weapon, sure theres a downside to them , but theres a downside to every technique...

haha... stupid clown hair Josh Koschek got beaten.. .and he totally owned the guy the whole fight... haha...

yea and leben wins by a submission talk about a reversal of fortune in da cage. Just goes to show that any thing can haoppen in da fight game
and no i do understand the effectiveness of knees people, just trying to shake things up here!!!!!!!

Uke · 10-05-2005, 11:45 AM

You know, fighting is alot like shooting ...its all about the target placement.

Yeah, a knee can split your head open, but the knee cap is very fragile if you hit it the wrong way. But so is a fist. We've all seen jaws get broken and wounds get opened up on the head from fists, but I've also seen many knuckles get dislocated, wrists dislocated and sprained, and fingers broken from punching with a fist.

Its about the right tool for the right job. A knee to the solar plexus is a devastating blow, and safe for the knee. The groin as well. One of my personal favorites is a knee to thigh as an entry strike. But unless you're kneeing the face or the back of the head at the base of the neck, then I agree that a knee to the head could potentially be dangerous to the knee itself.

With so much soft tissue area to strike, why would you pit bone against bone anyway? Even if you didn't feel the effects of hitting bone right away, you're heading for serious arthritis if you make it a habit. Alot of masters can't walk by the age of 50 because of some of the old, macho conditioning routines that they practiced in order to have "iron" knees, shins and feet.

**gregimotis** · 10-05-2005, 12:02 PM

I have a closely related question for the MMA'ers here:

When I watch MMA (I'm coming from a Muay Thai background with BJJ, but very little takedown), I see constant opportunity for knees - BIG knees. Seems like these guys are always getting in clinches with their arms up and their bellies/ribs exposed. In a Muay Thai rules bout, if you let your belly get exposed like that you are looking at some real hurt real fast.

Are most MMA'ers just not very hip to straight knees?
Or is there some takedown risk I don't see?

It seems to me a solid straight knee would be worth some takedown risk... comments?

THT · 10-05-2005, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gregimotis

I have a closely related question for the MMA'ers here:

When I watch MMA (I'm coming from a Muay Thai background with BJJ, but very little takedown), I see constant opportunity for knees - BIG knees. Seems like these guys are always getting in clinches with their arms up and their bellies/ribs exposed. In a Muay Thai rules bout, if you let your belly get exposed like that you are looking at some real hurt real fast.

Are most MMA'ers just not very hip to straight knees?
Or is there some takedown risk I don't see?

It seems to me a solid straight knee would be worth some takedown risk... comments?

I'm with you!! It seems like all the time watching mma I'm like "KNEE KNEE KNEE!!!! and it almost never happens. When it does it ussually works though, based on what I've seen.

Maybe there is a lot of off balancing and control that we can't really see that affects things.

SamuraiGuy · 10-05-2005, 05:54 PM

Everyone should watch...

Vitor Belfort vs Marvin Eastman...

and

Rampage vs Vanderlei Silva #2...

than we can discuss knees....

and for the person who said... why knee to the face when there are softer targets you can hit...

well because one knee to the face can knock the guy out, or set you up to finish the fight, ala koschek....

whats worse for your body.. kneeing a guy in the head, or repeated knees to other tragets... along with getting hit in the head more... etc...

JkD187 · 10-05-2005, 07:59 PM

dont forget wandy vs rampage uno......10,0000000 knees

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10-04-2005, 02:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
Blue Wave Gym Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 960	Dirty boxing and knees read an interasting article in for fighters only mag about different of db and clinching one thing though kneeing people in mma has never made much sense to me for a few reasons 1. the knee is very fragile so raming into someones skull is crazy to me and kneeing someone in the face me be good, but what if you knock their teeth out do you want bloody teeth cutting your knee(got bit on the hand and chest once while bouncing and got an infection) so maybe just da jaw 2. if you're not supposed to high kick because of the off balaencing/take down issues in mma, then why risk someone grabing your kee (when doing knees to the body) and doing a nice intentional slam to injure?????? __________________ Tiens, voila du boudin, voila du boudin, voila du boudin Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses, et les Lorrains Pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus, pour les Belges, il n'y en a plus Ce sont des tireurs au cul. Tireurs au cul

10-04-2005, 07:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
SamuraiGuy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,865	Knees are fragile if you hit them at the side... laterally your knees are weak, but in a linear move, backwards than forwards your knees are very strong. Im a big fan of knees, they are definetly a tried tested and true effective weapon, sure theres a downside to them , but theres a downside to every technique... haha... stupid clown hair Josh Koschek got beaten.. .and he totally owned the guy the whole fight... haha... __________________ "a few User CP's that are pretty significant ones(like a BoarSpear or SamuraiGuy one). " - GracieHunter I choke people, I dont poke people. -- Me Were you born to resist or be abused? I swear I'll never give in, I refuse. -- Foo Fighters I want a girl that spends more time on her back than Royce Gracie. I'll knee you in the face like your name was Josh Koschek -- Me

10-05-2005, 11:45 AM	#11 (permalink)
Uke Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: NY Posts: 1,249	Choose your target You know, fighting is alot like shooting ...its all about the target placement. Yeah, a knee can split your head open, but the knee cap is very fragile if you hit it the wrong way. But so is a fist. We've all seen jaws get broken and wounds get opened up on the head from fists, but I've also seen many knuckles get dislocated, wrists dislocated and sprained, and fingers broken from punching with a fist. Its about the right tool for the right job. A knee to the solar plexus is a devastating blow, and safe for the knee. The groin as well. One of my personal favorites is a knee to thigh as an entry strike. But unless you're kneeing the face or the back of the head at the base of the neck, then I agree that a knee to the head could potentially be dangerous to the knee itself. With so much soft tissue area to strike, why would you pit bone against bone anyway? Even if you didn't feel the effects of hitting bone right away, you're heading for serious arthritis if you make it a habit. Alot of masters can't walk by the age of 50 because of some of the old, macho conditioning routines that they practiced in order to have "iron" knees, shins and feet. __________________ A solar panel 100 miles by 100 miles (161x161km) in the Mojave Desert (USA) could replace all the coal now burned to generate electricity in the entire U.S.

10-05-2005, 12:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
gregimotis Premiere Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Still residing in the Premiere members booth Posts: 1,984	I have a closely related question for the MMA'ers here: When I watch MMA (I'm coming from a Muay Thai background with BJJ, but very little takedown), I see constant opportunity for knees - BIG knees. Seems like these guys are always getting in clinches with their arms up and their bellies/ribs exposed. In a Muay Thai rules bout, if you let your belly get exposed like that you are looking at some real hurt real fast. Are most MMA'ers just not very hip to straight knees? Or is there some takedown risk I don't see? It seems to me a solid straight knee would be worth some takedown risk... comments? __________________ . . I am Tired. Tired. Tired.

10-05-2005, 05:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
SamuraiGuy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,865	Everyone should watch... Vitor Belfort vs Marvin Eastman... and Rampage vs Vanderlei Silva #2... than we can discuss knees.... and for the person who said... why knee to the face when there are softer targets you can hit... well because one knee to the face can knock the guy out, or set you up to finish the fight, ala koschek.... whats worse for your body.. kneeing a guy in the head, or repeated knees to other tragets... along with getting hit in the head more... etc... __________________ "a few User CP's that are pretty significant ones(like a BoarSpear or SamuraiGuy one). " - GracieHunter I choke people, I dont poke people. -- Me Were you born to resist or be abused? I swear I'll never give in, I refuse. -- Foo Fighters I want a girl that spends more time on her back than Royce Gracie. I'll knee you in the face like your name was Josh Koschek -- Me

10-04-2005, 02:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
seanyseanybean Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: hertfordshire, uk Posts: 242	all good points, with only one flaw to the arguement which is that knees have been tried and tested and have proved to be very effective,

10-04-2005, 03:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
Oreomeister365 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: PA Posts: 189	I would think when kneeing it is particularly harder to get a hold of it like you would a lanky kick.

10-04-2005, 03:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
NJstomp Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 15	did you see the fight last night on Spike. Brandon Vera and Drew Fickett both one by way of Knee to the head.

10-04-2005, 03:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
JkD187 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NY! Posts: 982	knees are not fragile they are one of the strongest bones in your body....1.head 2.knees3.elbows

10-04-2005, 09:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jab902 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 116	head, shoulders, KNEES and toes, KNEES and toes head, shoulders, KNEES and toes, KNEES and toes

10-05-2005, 07:59 PM	#15 (permalink)
JkD187 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: NY! Posts: 982	dont forget wandy vs rampage uno......10,0000000 knees .

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