quick poll regarding training for street

[kiddbjj]

hi all

here's a question for you. After watching MMA for years now we can see three main types of fighters. Let's call them...

Sprawl & Brawl: eg. Chuck Liddell. These guys want to work on their feet and are usually good strikers with hands,feet, knees etc. When they go to ground they look to get back up rather than submit.

Ground & Pound: eg. Coleman, Kerr. they look to use a strong takedown and attain a top position so they can launch strikes continuously.

Submission Guys: eg. Carlos Newton. These guys are looking to go to ground ASAP & then to take time to work a submission.

OKAY, so these are the three main types, of course all MMA guys now days are multiskilled but do usually tend to be specialise in one of the three main groups. So the question is, which 'style' is most applicable to the street. Obviously your training dictates how you will fight so if you are focused on one certain area that's where you'll be most comfortable. But which is most street oriented.

For the record I think that the Sprawl & Brawl comes first, then G&P and lastly submission.

What do you think??

[gong fu]

well ok, on the streets i would say submission and getting grounded is a bad idea, on the street you should never get grounded or grapple with the guy who started shit, you want to be upright on your feet at all times ile give my reasons for this, a) if you get close and grapple and go for a submission hold, you have just stepped into range for him to stick a concealed blade in your gut or face or leg or whatever, if your on your feet and have space inbetween you then you can always dodge the blade and evade, b) if you knock him down and jump ontop like an animal then first of all he could stick you with a blade or something, secondly while your mounted his boys or someone could jump you while your mounting him and **** your back up or back of your head up, and if you was on your feet you would have better chance of defending from multiple opponents,

so yeah conclusion is, stay on your feet so you have more options open and your less vulnerable to a weapon or people jumping in there are more reason but everyone gets the general idea of my point so yeah thats my opinion always stay on your feet be cautios and think on your feet, dont jump in like an animal because animals get blades stuck in there necks when they try to be heros. as ive noticed many times ont he streets.

[kiddbjj]

come on guys there must be more of you with an opinion on this!

[SamuraiGuy]

Depends on the situation I guess... for general self defense, every scenario anything goes.. and I hate myself for doing this....

sprawl and brawl...

all the aformentioned reasons, knives, friends....

In certain situations though I think the Ground and Pound would be more effective...

in general I would have to go with Sprawl and Brawl.

Remember these are my opinions on street fighting... not MMA.

[danfaggella]

A non-sportive real self-defence situation often does call for stand up, almost exclusively (reasons mentioned).

However, if its just you and the other fellow, with no chance of other people joining in, then G&B would work fine if you like takedowns and can work them well.

Submission is all I know relatively well, but it does leave you open to punches and strikes often. Even ones that don't leave you open for strikes can allow the other guy to get dirty cuz hes close to you. He could gouge your eyes, figh hook you, grab and ear, bite, grab hair, ect.

[gong fu]

i agree as i mentioned before if its in the street and others are about and you dont know if he is armed then, stand up always, but yeah like if you know someone is unnarmed (somehow) and theres no chance of others jumping in and your all alone then yeah if you mount him or put him in a hold it would be effective, but yeah this only goes for street fights this wouldent work obviously in a MMA ring matchup every time. unless the rules are to stand up and brawl it out IE boxing etc,

[Yu Law]

sprawl and brawl hands down, for th eaforementioned reasons. But in a one on one situation with no weapons etc... anythign is good.

[kiddbjj]

so now that we all seem to agree that sprawl & brawl & to a lesser extent G&P are the most appropriate for the street do you think the training you do reflects this? Do we need to rethink MMA training as the best for street?

i ask this because i train mostly BJJ & some MMA but i'm worried that i'm starting to get comfortable taking things to the ground deliberately all the time or pulling guard. this would be a suicidal thing to do in the aforementioned street type scenario.

[Hermosa]

My opinion for a true altercation would probably be sprawl and brawl. But this thread reveals a true question. Why am I/we doing this. Because as you continue to examine closer and closer the anatomy of a street altercation the more and more you realize that, either you are picking dumb fights in bars..(in which case you need to go home and rethink your life). Or a true attack is thrust upon you, in which case you are going to be taken off guard, out gunned and out numbered..and nothing anyone could ever teach you in dojo is going to prepare you for that.

So at this conclusion two perspectives become available. 1-you continue to research, train, and prepare for inevitable combat..adding more and more variables and scenarios until you are one of those crazy JKD guys who has his concealed carry permit and 15 knives on his person. Or 2-you can't see yourself ever allowing yourself to get into a street fight and you shift the focus of your training to something else..Healthy exercise, spiritual discipline, artistic expression, etc..

Once that shift in perspective is accomplished, it doesn't really matter if what you train in, is specifically considered the best for the street fight (because no style IS best for the street)..so what matters is if you enjoy it and it speaks to your personal expression of who you want to be.

[Sensei Saki]

Oops. I wasn't paying attention. Tell me again what is going on.

[Sagacious Lu]

Originally Posted by Hermosa

My opinion for a true altercation would probably be sprawl and brawl. But this thread reveals a true question. Why am I/we doing this. Because as you continue to examine closer and closer the anatomy of a street altercation the more and more you realize that, either you are picking dumb fights in bars..(in which case you need to go home and rethink your life). Or a true attack is thrust upon you, in which case you are going to be taken off guard, out gunned and out numbered..and nothing anyone could ever teach you in dojo is going to prepare you for that.

So at this conclusion two perspectives become available. 1-you continue to research, train, and prepare for inevitable combat..adding more and more variables and scenarios until you are one of those crazy JKD guys who has his concealed carry permit and 15 knives on his person. Or 2-you can't see yourself ever allowing yourself to get into a street fight and you shift the focus of your training to something else..Healthy exercise, spiritual discipline, artistic expression, etc..

Once that shift in perspective is accomplished, it doesn't really matter if what you train in, is specifically considered the best for the street fight (because no style IS best for the street)..so what matters is if you enjoy it and it speaks to your personal expression of who you want to be.

I don't know who you are or where you live but I can't agree with your logic here. I live in a big city that has plenty of crime, and although I avoid street fights as much as I can the reality is it could happen at any time whether I "allow" it or not. The neighborhood I just bought a house in is "transitional". In other words although my block is made up of (mostly)young professionals you don't have to go more than a few blocks to find a rough area. With a little luck I expect it to be a much nicer place in 5 years than it is now, and I intend to be a part of that I hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Obviously no amount of training can counter a bullet but there are plenty of dangerous situations that don't involve a gun. For that matter even if I never get into another fight the fact that I know I practice techniques that work gives me a lot of confidence. Criminals tend to look for victims and they can tell when someone is afraid, so even if I never have to throw a punch to defend myself again the time I spend preparing myself to may be the reason I don't have to.

[kiddbjj]

i agree mate. in fact i do agree with both of you.

on one hand why spend hours every week practicing for something that might never happen and could probably be better solved through improving one's awareness, understanding of body language and just generally avoiding trouble spots...but

on the other hand if you live somewhere or are in a job where confrontation is highly likely or even moderatley likely then why wouldn't you want to have some kind of 'plan' to go to. hence the regular training.

i think thats why the MMA & 'sport' styles are becoming so popular again though because it gives you the opportunity to fight without really fighting. by this i mean you actually get to play the game instead of just spending all your time training for a game that might never happen. it would be like practicing your basketball drills for 10 years but never playing a game. that would suck!

[JkD187]

id just do whatever the occassion dictated for.....but if i had a choice id prob sprawl and brawl as most mentioned before.

[medic06]

Sprawl and brawl definitely. If it goes to the ground then ground and pound. By the way, against a commited opponent there is no such thing as submission. Either you break the joint or choke them into unconsciousness.

[kiddbjj]

so if you are training for self defence does the training you currently do reflect what the poll has shown so far?