Judo vs BJJ?

tkd_person89 · 11-27-2005, 04:18 PM

Which has better groundfighting techniques? Which is more comprehensive for groundfighting?

Is Judo a great way to learn ground grappling?

sapatiero · 11-27-2005, 06:05 PM

This is a debate that's been repeated too many times to count.

I've done both, and IMHO BJJ is more practical, and more open to new ideas because of the relaxed manner of teaching. It's more technical/relaxed/practical on the ground, but Judo is better for throws purely because the judo guys spend more time working on that part of their game.

Having said that, a mate of mine's been doing Judo for fifteen years and hands me my arse. But then he has been having privates with Roger Gracie

BoarSpear · 11-27-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sapatiero

This is a debate that's been repeated too many times to count.

I've done both, and IMHO BJJ is more practical, and more open to new ideas because of the relaxed manner of teaching. It's more technical/relaxed/practical on the ground, but Judo is better for throws purely because the judo guys spend more time working on that part of their game.

Having said that, a mate of mine's been doing Judo for fifteen years and hands me my arse. But then he has been having privates with Roger Gracie

Was he kicking your ass before the privates?

sapatiero · 11-27-2005, 06:36 PM

To be honest, yes.

But I think that's down to number of years of grappling experience. Also in recent years he's added wrestling/BJJ/Muai Tuai to his arsenal so it probably makes the debate irrelevent.

Two guys, one BJJ, one Judo, same potential, same amount of mat time... My money's on the BJJ guy being a better groundfighter, and the Judo guy having better takedowns.

But then I love BJJ & that makes me biased.

BoarSpear · 11-27-2005, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sapatiero

To be honest, yes.

HEHEHEHE thanks for being honest.

Equal time, equal potential and ability i agree the judo guys gonna win the standing game for sure...And IF the bjj guy survives the throw and gets him down then sure the bjj guy will probably win...BIG "IF" outside a ring.

bigboywasim · 11-27-2005, 08:01 PM

I love Judo and BJJ. I have experience with BJJ from the two and planning to take Judo as well for the throws and standing game. I would pick BJJ from the two though. I think it is a better grippling art. It is the best for the ground. It has good sweeps and take down moves as well. Judo is good for the throws. In a self defence situation I would pick it as well. If you could knock a guy out with a throw then it would have been maybe different. Most likely you won't so I would go with BJJ.

aseepish · 11-27-2005, 08:13 PM

In a self-defense situation going to the ground is not that smart because of the lava and broken glass etc.

Which is more comprehensive for ground fighting? BJJ. No question.

Is judo a great way to learn ground grappling? Yes. Judo newaza (ground techniques) have the same basic techniques as BJJ. BJJ evolved from Judo. If you are interested in learning ground fighting though, or adding ground fighting to your existing arsenal, BJJ is the way to go.

tkd_person89 · 11-27-2005, 08:23 PM

But what about that legendary '51 fight where Kimura (judo legend) took out Helio Gracie? (Although with some trouble)

So is judo an excellent SD martial art or no?

Good for ground?

BoarSpear · 11-27-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tkd_person89

But what about that legendary '51 fight where Kimura (judo legend) took out Helio Gracie? (Although with some trouble)

So is judo an excellent SD martial art or no?

Good for ground?

Trouble? what trouble was that? He choked Helio unconscious, Helio came to and realized he was the only one who knew he had been beaten. Helio decided to ignore that loss and keep on fighting...that would be the honorable thing to do in martial contest between gentlemen right? Helio fought on...only to lose...when caught in some hold, i cant seem to remember what BJJ people call it.

aseepish · 11-27-2005, 09:03 PM

Kimura was an excellent fighter.

Sakuraba beat many of the Gracies (some more decisively than others). Does that make Pro-wrestling better than BJJ?

Judo's concept of randori (free sparring with full intensity and fully resisting opponents) makes it excellent for self-defense.

Is Judo alone excellent for self-defense? No. You need striking and clinching. Muay Thai and western boxing are good because they also train and spar with full intensity and against fully resisting opponents.

MT&BJJ@noob · 11-28-2005, 02:33 PM

[quote=tkd_person89]But what about that legendary '51 fight where Kimura (judo legend) took out Helio Gracie? (Although with some trouble)

So is judo an excellent SD martial art or no?]

Excuse me, what's the weight difference between Kimura and Helio ?

BoarSpear · 11-28-2005, 02:39 PM

What do size and weight have to do with self defense? do you get to pick you attackers?

jubaji · 11-28-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BoarSpear

What do size and weight have to do with self defense? do you get to pick you attackers?

Here we go again................

MT&BJJ@noob · 11-28-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BoarSpear

What do size and weight have to do with self defense? do you get to pick you attackers?

Is this topic about techniques anymore? or it just shifted to self defense ?

covaliufan · 11-28-2005, 03:21 PM

Perhaps more importantly...it's been over 50 years since that fight. More than half of bjj's existence has taken place since that fight, and an extremely sizable chunk of judo's history as well. So what does a fight between leaders of the field then tell you about the current state of things now?

The Royce vs. Akiyama fight coming up may prove more instructive.

11-27-2005, 04:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
tkd_person89 Guest Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 352 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Judo vs BJJ? Which has better groundfighting techniques? Which is more comprehensive for groundfighting? Is Judo a great way to learn ground grappling?

11-27-2005, 08:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
aseepish Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,638 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	In a self-defense situation going to the ground is not that smart because of the lava and broken glass etc. Which is more comprehensive for ground fighting? BJJ. No question. Is judo a great way to learn ground grappling? Yes. Judo newaza (ground techniques) have the same basic techniques as BJJ. BJJ evolved from Judo. If you are interested in learning ground fighting though, or adding ground fighting to your existing arsenal, BJJ is the way to go. __________________ "It was about that time I realized that searching was my symbol, the emblem of those who go out at night with nothing in mind, the motives of a destroyer of compasses." -Cortázar

11-27-2005, 09:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
aseepish Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,638 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Kimura was an excellent fighter. Sakuraba beat many of the Gracies (some more decisively than others). Does that make Pro-wrestling better than BJJ? Judo's concept of randori (free sparring with full intensity and fully resisting opponents) makes it excellent for self-defense. Is Judo alone excellent for self-defense? No. You need striking and clinching. Muay Thai and western boxing are good because they also train and spar with full intensity and against fully resisting opponents. __________________ "It was about that time I realized that searching was my symbol, the emblem of those who go out at night with nothing in mind, the motives of a destroyer of compasses." -Cortázar

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11-27-2005, 06:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
sapatiero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 247 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	This is a debate that's been repeated too many times to count. I've done both, and IMHO BJJ is more practical, and more open to new ideas because of the relaxed manner of teaching. It's more technical/relaxed/practical on the ground, but Judo is better for throws purely because the judo guys spend more time working on that part of their game. Having said that, a mate of mine's been doing Judo for fifteen years and hands me my arse. But then he has been having privates with Roger Gracie

11-27-2005, 06:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
sapatiero Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 247 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	To be honest, yes. But I think that's down to number of years of grappling experience. Also in recent years he's added wrestling/BJJ/Muai Tuai to his arsenal so it probably makes the debate irrelevent. Two guys, one BJJ, one Judo, same potential, same amount of mat time... My money's on the BJJ guy being a better groundfighter, and the Judo guy having better takedowns. But then I love BJJ & that makes me biased.

11-27-2005, 08:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
bigboywasim Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California, Sacramento Posts: 392 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I love Judo and BJJ. I have experience with BJJ from the two and planning to take Judo as well for the throws and standing game. I would pick BJJ from the two though. I think it is a better grippling art. It is the best for the ground. It has good sweeps and take down moves as well. Judo is good for the throws. In a self defence situation I would pick it as well. If you could knock a guy out with a throw then it would have been maybe different. Most likely you won't so I would go with BJJ.

11-27-2005, 08:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
tkd_person89 Guest Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 352 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	But what about that legendary '51 fight where Kimura (judo legend) took out Helio Gracie? (Although with some trouble) So is judo an excellent SD martial art or no? Good for ground?

11-28-2005, 02:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
MT&BJJ@noob Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	[quote=tkd_person89]But what about that legendary '51 fight where Kimura (judo legend) took out Helio Gracie? (Although with some trouble) So is judo an excellent SD martial art or no?] Excuse me, what's the weight difference between Kimura and Helio ?

11-28-2005, 02:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
BoarSpear Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,729 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	What do size and weight have to do with self defense? do you get to pick you attackers?

11-28-2005, 03:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
covaliufan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 50 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Perhaps more importantly...it's been over 50 years since that fight. More than half of bjj's existence has taken place since that fight, and an extremely sizable chunk of judo's history as well. So what does a fight between leaders of the field then tell you about the current state of things now? The Royce vs. Akiyama fight coming up may prove more instructive.

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