The Ultimate in Martial Arts

WUSHINGYM · 01-11-2001, 05:34 PM

I watched kimos vs TK last night an they said that kimo beat sak !Anybody know about this ?If so was it a work?Anybody here know of any of saks ather losses?thanks later

Maui Jim · 01-11-2001, 07:16 PM

No it wasn't worked , this put Sak on the Charts after that
Sak did lose to Igor after battling Royce for 2 hrs and threw in the towel against Igor Pride 10 I believe.

Martial Artist · 01-11-2001, 09:04 PM

Yes,it is for real.Wait a minute!!!

Sak beat Royce,Royce beat Kimo,and Kimo beat Sak,so,shouldnt Royce......AAAHHHHH!!!!! NEVER MIND!!!!!!!

edro · 01-11-2001, 09:13 PM

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Balance · 01-11-2001, 10:43 PM

I believe that was one of Sak's very first NHB fights. Kimo had a little more experience than him, and took it to him. Just shows that there's no shame in losing only in not learning from the experience.

Maui Jim · 01-11-2001, 10:54 PM

I have no doubt that even with the gross weight differences between Sak and Kimo that Sak would take Kimo out if there was a rematch.
Sak is a well improved fighter since there fight.

Grahf1 · 01-11-2001, 11:40 PM

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Sak beat Royce,Royce beat Kimo,and Kimo beat Sak,so,shouldnt Royce......AAAHHHHH!!!!! NEVER MIND!!!!!!

LOL! I was always wondering about that!

I agree that Sak would beat Kimo if they had a rematch. It's been awhile since then.

Oh, and he would definitely beat Igor if they had a rematch. I can't believe he agreed to fight that guy after 90 minutes of Royce Gracie!

Maui Jim · 01-12-2001, 12:08 AM

Sak going on to a 2nd fight made me respect him more and had Sak on his back when endurance ran out against tree trunk Igor let alone a final 3RD fight.
Single fights are more exciting when they can turn up the pacing of endurance a bit.
Let Sak fight all rematches first before retiring
Kimo
Goes
Igor
Mezger

WUSHINGYM · 01-12-2001, 02:13 AM

M.A lol ...
Was that the only two losses on Saks record ?Ive heard that he has been quoted as saying he has lots of wins an losses !but keeping in mind that he is a "pro wrasseler' I dont know really what context to put that in .
As far as entertainment goes was it a good fight!
Yeah i have to agree with the hart Sak showed in comming out to fight Igor .Bravo!
this may be a little off topic but do you think that N.H.B is only entertaining when it envolves fighters that are at the upper eschalons (sp?)of the fight game ?Or do you think its all in the match ups ?thanks 4 the replys wu

Domingo · 01-12-2001, 05:39 PM

In NHB/MMA, Sak only has 2 losses - Kimo and Vovchanchin.
The Kimo fight was his first fight ever, but he actually fought pretty similarly to how he fights now. He went for the outside Kimura, gave up his back, etc. much the way he still does. The main difference is that he went for the Kimura and honestly looked to win with it the entire time rather than simply frustrate and move the opponent. He also ate some pretty mean headbutts to the back of his head. While they weren't going to finish him, they did look painful. The finish was via a reverse head+arm (some people call it a scarf) choke. To be honest, the way it was applied - I simply don't think Sak understood what was going on. Anyway, I've heard report of this fight not being real, but it looked pretty legit to me. There were NO signs of any kind of funny business and both guy were going full out the entire time.
After that Sak went on to defeat the following opponents in order: Paul Herrera (in Kingdon - a legit fight, though)Conan Silviera, Vernon White, Carlos Newton, a draw with Goes in which Goes probably would've won a close decision, Vitor Belfort (total asskicking), Ebeneezer Braga, Anthony Macias (suplex bait!), Royler Gracie, Guy Mezger (this would've been a draw IMO), Royce Gracie, a loss to Igor that was nothing to worry about (he did better than Kerr did!) Renzo Gracie, Shannon Rich, and Ryan Gracie.

AFAIK, that's it.

al000 · 01-12-2001, 05:43 PM

i read somewhere where sak says his first pro fight was with conan silveria. so that means that the sak vs kimo fight was a work. wasn't it kingdom that put that fight together and kingdom is a pro wrestling organization. so in conclusion, it was probably a work.

Robbie · 01-12-2001, 06:03 PM

Works in NHB?

01-11-2001, 09:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
Martial Artist Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Orange, Texas Posts: 536 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes,it is for real.Wait a minute!!! Sak beat Royce,Royce beat Kimo,and Kimo beat Sak,so,shouldnt Royce......AAAHHHHH!!!!! NEVER MIND!!!!!!! __________________ "Kerr should sparr Mike Tyson because they have talked before on the phone" Tape Lord

01-12-2001, 05:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
Domingo Advanced Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tuscaloosa, Al. USA Posts: 637 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sak's record in NHB In NHB/MMA, Sak only has 2 losses - Kimo and Vovchanchin. The Kimo fight was his first fight ever, but he actually fought pretty similarly to how he fights now. He went for the outside Kimura, gave up his back, etc. much the way he still does. The main difference is that he went for the Kimura and honestly looked to win with it the entire time rather than simply frustrate and move the opponent. He also ate some pretty mean headbutts to the back of his head. While they weren't going to finish him, they did look painful. The finish was via a reverse head+arm (some people call it a scarf) choke. To be honest, the way it was applied - I simply don't think Sak understood what was going on. Anyway, I've heard report of this fight not being real, but it looked pretty legit to me. There were NO signs of any kind of funny business and both guy were going full out the entire time. After that Sak went on to defeat the following opponents in order: Paul Herrera (in Kingdon - a legit fight, though)Conan Silviera, Vernon White, Carlos Newton, a draw with Goes in which Goes probably would've won a close decision, Vitor Belfort (total asskicking), Ebeneezer Braga, Anthony Macias (suplex bait!), Royler Gracie, Guy Mezger (this would've been a draw IMO), Royce Gracie, a loss to Igor that was nothing to worry about (he did better than Kerr did!) Renzo Gracie, Shannon Rich, and Ryan Gracie. AFAIK, that's it. __________________ -- Chris "Domingo X" Allen Check out my homepage at http://personal.bhm.bellsouth.net/~domingox ===================================================== "To be the man, you gotta beat the man, WOOOOOO!" -- Ric Flair "Dare to be stupid" -- Weird Al Yankovic "I eat more chicken than any man ever seen" -- Jim Morrison "I had to be carried out" -- Miki Berenyi "Now you're messin' with a son of a bitch!" -- Nazareth "Break out with the Faygo" -- Violent J "We're on a mission from God" -- Elwood Blues =====================================================

01-12-2001, 05:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
al000 Novice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: colorado Posts: 19 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	sak i read somewhere where sak says his first pro fight was with conan silveria. so that means that the sak vs kimo fight was a work. wasn't it kingdom that put that fight together and kingdom is a pro wrestling organization. so in conclusion, it was probably a work.

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01-11-2001, 05:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
WUSHINGYM Novice Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: s.e. ohio Posts: 16 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I watched kimos vs TK last night an they said that kimo beat sak !Anybody know about this ?If so was it a work?Anybody here know of any of saks ather losses?thanks later

01-11-2001, 07:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
Maui Jim Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 237 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	No it wasn't worked , this put Sak on the Charts after that Sak did lose to Igor after battling Royce for 2 hrs and threw in the towel against Igor Pride 10 I believe.

01-11-2001, 09:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
edro Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Muskogee, OK Posts: 134 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	3216549870

01-11-2001, 10:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Balance Novice Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Posts: 40 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I believe that was one of Sak's very first NHB fights. Kimo had a little more experience than him, and took it to him. Just shows that there's no shame in losing only in not learning from the experience.

01-11-2001, 10:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
Maui Jim Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 237 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have no doubt that even with the gross weight differences between Sak and Kimo that Sak would take Kimo out if there was a rematch. Sak is a well improved fighter since there fight.

01-12-2001, 12:08 AM	#8 (permalink)
Maui Jim Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 237 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sak going on to a 2nd fight made me respect him more and had Sak on his back when endurance ran out against tree trunk Igor let alone a final 3RD fight. Single fights are more exciting when they can turn up the pacing of endurance a bit. Let Sak fight all rematches first before retiring Kimo Goes Igor Mezger

01-12-2001, 02:13 AM	#9 (permalink)
WUSHINGYM Novice Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: s.e. ohio Posts: 16 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	M.A lol ... Was that the only two losses on Saks record ?Ive heard that he has been quoted as saying he has lots of wins an losses !but keeping in mind that he is a "pro wrasseler' I dont know really what context to put that in . As far as entertainment goes was it a good fight! Yeah i have to agree with the hart Sak showed in comming out to fight Igor .Bravo! this may be a little off topic but do you think that N.H.B is only entertaining when it envolves fighters that are at the upper eschalons (sp?)of the fight game ?Or do you think its all in the match ups ?thanks 4 the replys wu

01-12-2001, 06:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
Robbie Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Brunswick,GA Posts: 286 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Works in NHB?

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