Some Advice Please

[Testosterone]

Hey guys,

I know a lot of threads are coming up like this but please bare with me. I am interested in studying a number of martial arts, simutaneously, namely; muay thai for standup, BJJ for ground work, and sayoc kali for weapons.

Unfortunately, I have not been able to begin my studying in a class yet due to my current location. I am planning to begin once I move in the next few months.

Here is my predicament: I have been reading more about judo and becoming more interested in it. The problem is, I do not believe I can study 4 martial arts properly at the same time.

So, I am wondering what everyone's opinions are. Is judo a good thing to add, or is BJJ enough for grappling? Should I take out muay thai and only have grappling arts? Whats your advice?

Thanks everyone, your knowledgable advice is very appreciated.

S.C.

P.S. I am only interested in practical self defence, not fitness, a hobby, or anything else.

[bOoRadley]

I'm in a similar predicament, I am bored with boxing and looking for a martial art, I think I've narrowed it down to Judo or BJJ but every time I talk to a different person I hear a completely different viewpoint. A judo instructor told that Judo is more sport than martial art, all the training is geared toward tournament competition and while it has value for self defense you will not learn specific self defense techniques. You wont learn how to deal with punches and kicks because punches and kicks are not allowed in competition. He says that if self defence is my main objective I should look at Aikido or BJJ...on this site I have heard nothing but negative things about Aikido, takes to long to learn, focuses too much on philosophy, not practical so I dont think that's what I looking for. But I know very little about Brazilian Jujitsu.

I dont know what the phuck to take

[Testosterone]

Originally Posted by bOoRadley

I'm in a similar predicament, I am bored with boxing and looking for a martial art, I think I've narrowed it down to Judo or BJJ but every time I talk to a different person I hear a completely different viewpoint. A judo instructor told that Judo is more sport than martial art, all the training is geared toward tournament competition and while it has value for self defense you will not learn specific self defense techniques. You wont learn how to deal with punches and kicks because punches and kicks are not allowed in competition. He says that if self defence is my main objective I should look at Aikido or BJJ...on this site I have heard nothing but negative things about Aikido, takes to long to learn, focuses too much on philosophy, not practical so I dont think that's what I looking for. But I know very little about Brazilian Jujitsu.

I dont know hat the phuck to take

Well I can answer one thing. There is no possible way you should take normal JJ over BJJ. BJJ is the best of the three, I know that for sure and Im sure most people here will agree. But judo may complement it well. Im not sure if enough throws are taught in BJJ.

[Hardball]

Judo is awesome especially when you get around purple and brown belt.

[JkD187]

Check out Erik Paulson and Combat Submission Wrestling.....for stand up its STX Kickboxing(a muay thai/savate structure)for grappling and ground fighting it uses elements of bjj jjj judo catch wrestling western wrestling shooto and sambo all blended together to teach you how to flow from one range to the next and back again...it also includes the philophsy and concepts of jkd so the system grows and evolves to fit with moderen times.Quite possibly the most well rounded system ive seen.

[Jiu Jitsu Monk]

I have done, Karate Traditional Ju Jitsu (which Akido and Judo were formed from) and BJJ. I now only do BJJ. Becasue in my opinion (and it is a humble one) it is by far the best form of self defence. The instructor that said Judo is sportive and has little self defence application is right.

If you guys want to learn only for self defence why do you need a miriad of take downs from Judo. Also, many Judo throws have you turn your back to your opponent. Why would you want to do that in the street?

BJJ will teach you a few very effective takedowns and then the continuation from that takedown into control and choke, break or submission. BJJ self defence is easy to learn and apply and is designed for the smaller person to beat a larger stronger agressor.

When it comes to self defence you could even not learn the striking arts. Why exchange blows and leave it all to chance (who hits who first and the hardest, oh and in the right spot) when you could take them down control and choke.

Royce has a great self defence book out and the Gracie Jiu Jitsu Basics Video will get you started.

[Testosterone]

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Monk

Why exchange blows and leave it all to chance (who hits who first and the hardest, oh and in the right spot) when you could take them down control and choke.

Because groundwork doesnt work with multiple opponenets.

[OmaPlata]

BJJ is best for ground work, with some good throws (from Judo) and good take downs.
Muah Thai for stand up.

[Jiu Jitsu Monk]

Originally Posted by Testosterone

Because groundwork doesnt work with multiple opponenets.

This is a good point and one I have never entirely understood. Maybe because I am in experienced in Muah Thai.

But even if I am on my feet how can I take on more then one oponent. If I am punching or kicking one guy what is to stop his 3 mates jumping on my back bringing me to the floor and kicking the living daylights out of me?

[OmaPlata]

Originally Posted by Testosterone

Because groundwork doesnt work with multiple opponenets.

No martial art trains to fight multiple opponents. Besides, start by throwing one guy and then break a couple arms of the others.
It doesnt matter how good you are though, if 2 or more guys bum rush you at once its pretty much over, you lose.
I did see one guy fight 8 or 9 guys though, I posted the details in another thread, he KO'd the first guy who was HUGE, banged up a couple others, but in the end he got pounded. He would qualify as a stand up fighter-striker, maybe a boxer. But theres nothing you can do when 3 guys pack onto you

[JkD187]

i fought 1 vs 7 once.......i escaped unhurt and manged to drop about 5 of them and break this guys nose.....but he tried to eye gouge me so i slammed his ass put the hooks in and started pounding his face in....then his buddy came over and soccer kicked my face like 3 times....i didnt feel it thouht to much of an adreline rush...after that my buds were fighting as well because it was like 4 vs 20....a huge brawl but we would up rumblin by a fire station and the cops broke it up.This was back in my high school days and i became a legend!

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by OmaPlata

No martial art trains to fight multiple opponents. ...theres nothing you can do when 3 guys pack onto you

PHUI....

Pure ignorance.


MARTIAL means warfare. How few armies use a solitary "artist" to win battles?

[Jiu Jitsu Monk]

Martial does mean warfare but it is, as you have said an army.......of people........who are trained to fight one enemy at a time and then move onto the next! As OmaPlata says, you train to fight one person at a time. If you are good enough (or they are crap enough) that you can dispatch the first guy before the second pitches in you may have a chance of taking two. But if they rush you and there is more than 2, what hope have you got?

I train to make sure I can take the one guy (prefferably the biggest who is hopefully the ring leader) and hope the rest bottle it.

And JKD187.........you are my hero

[Tant01]

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Monk

... If you are good enough (or they are crap enough) that you can dispatch the first guy before the second pitches in you may have a chance of taking two. But if they rush you and there is more than 2, what hope have you got?

...o

Are you ARMED? Where's the "martial" in your empty hands? PHUI again!

Are you reasonably in fear of immediate bodily harm or death?

You should be...

[Jiu Jitsu Monk]

Originally Posted by Tant01

Are you ARMED? Where's the "martial" in your empty hands? PHUI again!

Are you reasonably in fear of immediate bodily harm or death?

You should be...

Are yo saying I should forget martial arts and carry a fire arm or knife?
It may be legal in the US, but it is not in many countries! Therefore it is not an option to defend myself using any sort of weapon.

Are you saying that "Martial" excludes empty hand combat? If that is the case you are not recognising the origin of the term "Martial art" or the fact that the US Army (for example) learn Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and MMA as part of their unarmed combat program.

No I am not in fear of bodily harm or death! Why should I be?