Dislocate joints, break knees, throw dudes on their heads!

[bOoRadley]

That's what I want to know how to do and I don't want it to take a decade to learn. I'm not a scrapper or a person who looks for fights or trouble but if it happens I want it over in seconds with him on the ground and me walking away unscathed. I want pure deadly effective self defense, I don't want to fight I want to disable. Nothing artsy fartsy, fancy or philosophical

What would you guys recommend?

[EmptyneSs]

Originally Posted by bOoRadley

That's what I want to know how to do and I don't want it to take a decade to learn. I'm not a scrapper or a person who looks for fights or trouble but if it happens I want it over in seconds with him on the ground and me walking away unscathed. I want pure deadly effective self defense, I don't want to fight I want to disable. Nothing artsy fartsy, fancy or philosophical

What would you guys recommend?

stop watching so many action movies for starters because what u are describing only happens in movies.

[bOoRadley]

I think you misunderstood me...I want the exact opposite of action movie bullshit. I'm not interested at all in flashy ninja kicks and somersaults, I want realistic techniques like throws, submission moves, choke holds, etc...I really want something that will be useful in a self defense situation, if someone attacks me on the street I don't care to "spar" or trade blows, I want to disable them and walk away.

Is that unrealistic?

[bOoRadley]

Keep in mind I'm talking about fighting street thugs not trained martial arts experts.

[Hardball]

You should check out Judo.

[bOoRadley]

Originally I was very interested in Judo but after doing some research I found that it is not very self defence oriented. Of course I know that it would be helpful in a street fight situation but they do not train you to deal with kicks, punches, etc. I was told it is all geared towards tournament competition.

Not really what I'm looking for.

[Hardball]

Originally Posted by bOoRadley

Originally I was very interested in Judo but after doing some research I found that it is not very self defence oriented. Of course I know that it would be helpful in a street fight situation but they do not train you to deal with kicks, punches, etc. I was told it is all geared towards tournament competition.

Not really what I'm looking for.

Depends on the Dojo, the belt ranking and how long you stick with it. Japanese jujitsu may be an option, It is heavily loaded with judo but has the kicks and punches to go with it.

[bOoRadley]

What are the main differences between Japanese Jujitsu and Brazilian Jujitsu?

[Hardball]

Do a forumn search, there are a ton of old and recent threads on the topic. It is very opinionated and a very lengthy discussion.

[JkD187]

dude check out my posts i have very detailed paragraphs bout bolth of them...ill try n look for it.

[JkD187]

The three major differences of BJJ and JJJ are as follows.

1.Techniques:The techniques of jjj are meant to be a complete system,Which means it includes strikes,grappling,throwing,controlling and arresting,weapons offense and defense,self defense,killing or crippling techniques,locks and so on and so forth.Most of these techniques require excellent fine motor functions which are hard to apply under pressure,i.e:threading a needle after running a mile,While the techniques of bjj are mostly takedowns and ground controling and finishing holds.Most bjj techniques are high percentage moves which use gross motor functions which are much easier to apply under pressure,i.e:running away from someone chasing you.

2.Training Method:This is where the two arts are really seperated in terms of effectiveness and realism.JJJ's training method is to train in kata's and one and two step sparring to learn combat moves in very telegraphed ways.There is no resistance on the other persons part and therefor no one gains functional skills in all areas of fighting but rather just an assortment of techniques for demo purposes.BJJ's training method is to train with an uncooperative opponent and sparring with someone who is actually traying to beat you as well.From this type of training under resistance...timing...energy and motion real skills that can be used under pressure are honed in battle fit weapons.

3.Stragety:JJJ's stragety is to go with the flow of combat,Your opponents move is your move,Counter whatever he brings to the table....however this is a very hard thing to do if you do not have the attributes for combat trained from resistance training which is why many people view JJJ as ineffective for this day and age.BJJ's stragety however is a systamitic approach that can be used in every battle...every time.The stragety is to bypass the striking range and go into the clinch range,From the clinch range look to take your opponent down and flow into a dominant position on the ground to apply strikes and the finishing hold to end the fight.The big difference in stragety is that most of the time going with the flow means you must be in a defensive mode which is not so good for self-defense,Also the self defense techniques of JJJ use scenarios in which you must execute technique after technique in a pattern to stop something just a simple punch.In real combat fights involve movement and it would be very hard to apply those techniques when a person is resiting and trying to hit you back.BJJ's stragety is to bypass the striking range by whatever way you can based on the situation,their is no set tecnique but rather just attributes like timing,speed and power.In the clinch range its the same takedown the opponent by using whatever is there....a hip toss...single leg...double leg etc etc.On the ground it is yet again the same look for whatever technique is open and take it to finish the fight,Nothing is ever telegraphed everything is based on science of simplicity and movement.

In conclusion JJJ can gain alot by the training method of BJJ by injecting realism in the art and BJJ can learn from JJJ's concept of the complete fighter....bolth can be deadly arts,all it depends on is how the art is trained...who it is trained under and how good the people training are.

[bOoRadley]

That's very interesting, I'm fairly certain that I want to study BJJ...I'm going to do a little more reading.

Thanks.

[Sensei Saki]

Would you like to know more?
You sound convincing. What's the best school for BJJ?OK then let me think over your offer.Don't mention it.

[bOoRadley]

English good you speak

[JkD187]

No problem....if you want well rounded skills you have to crosstrain in various arts unless you check out one of many people who have systems blended to combine striking and grappling.I suggest you check out Erik Paulson and Combat Submission Wrestling.