Is judo highly effective?

[tkd_person89]

Is judo HIHGLY effective? What about its groundwork? Is it good?

[Acitic]

Originally Posted by tkd_person89

Is judo HIHGLY effective? What about its groundwork? Is it good?

It all depends on the school! GO OUT AND TRY IT! but ground fighting is better than no ground fighting!

[tkd_person89]

But in general, is judo one of those MA that's considered more of a fighting art or more of a sport?

Are their newara (ground) techs. good for real fights and MMA?

[Acitic]

I am not an expert, have only done a bit of judo (about an hour...haha) but my general thought, flip them.... there head bounces off cement, kick in face while down, maybe drop a knee on the face, or shin across the neck.... best of all worlds......

[bigboywasim]

I love Judo and think it is worth learning. It is good to know grappling of any kinds and even if it is a more of a sport you can use it to defend yourself as well. Bend the rules in a street fight. Make the bastards head it the ground. I am going to learn it well. It is a great art to know.

[Sensei Saki]

You love Judo and think it is worth learning. What do you like about Judo and think it is worth learning so much?Tell me about its good qualities.
That remark was either too complex or too simple for me. We were talking about Bend the rules in a street fight.What are the ingredients?Congratulations.Bend the rules in a street fight is a art to know. I suppose that makes sense.

[bigboywasim]

Originally Posted by Sensei Saki

You love Judo and think it is worth learning. What do you like about Judo and think it is worth learning so much?Tell me about its good qualities.
That remark was either too complex or too simple for me. We were talking about Bend the rules in a street fight.What are the ingredients?Congratulations.Bend the rules in a street fight is a art to know. I suppose that makes sense.

If you know the history of my friend Judo was a deadly art in the past. The throws would be done in a way that there was a good chance of people's neck breaking or getting hurt badly. All I am saying that it is a great art. That it can be used in a self-defense situation. In a street fight there are no rules. You can crack a persons head on the ground if you needed to. You can throw them into a window or something. You can break there arms in an arm bar or choke them. You learn to take down and defeat an opponent that resisting you to the fullest. This really helps in a street fight.

[aseepish]

Whassa matter? This thread wasn't good enough for you?

Judo vs BJJ?

[Jiu Jitsu Monk]

[quote=bigboywasim]If you know the history of my friend Judo was a deadly art in the past. The throws would be done in a way that there was a good chance of people's neck breaking or getting hurt badly.


Errr, I think you will find that Traditional Japanese Ju Jitsu is the one that was the deadly art and the throws were done with the sole intention of breaking the oponents neck, even before they hit the ground. For example the Hip throw as seen in Judo is not how it was done before Judo had been started. The whole point of Judo was to take out all of the deadly techniques, so it could be practised by the masses in a safe randori. Hence Ju Do (gentle way)

I think Judo is great for takedowns. But, lets take one very common Judo technique, like the scarf hold as an example of groundwork. Pretty much useless in the street or against a BJJ fighter.

[JkD187]

[quote=Jiu Jitsu Monk]

Originally Posted by bigboywasim

If you know the history of my friend Judo was a deadly art in the past. The throws would be done in a way that there was a good chance of people's neck breaking or getting hurt badly.


Errr, I think you will find that Traditional Japanese Ju Jitsu is the one that was the deadly art and the throws were done with the sole intention of breaking the oponents neck, even before they hit the ground. For example the Hip throw as seen in Judo is not how it was done before Judo had been started. The whole point of Judo was to take out all of the deadly techniques, so it could be practised by the masses in a safe randori. Hence Ju Do (gentle way)

I think Judo is great for takedowns. But, lets take one very common Judo technique, like the scarf hold as an example of groundwork. Pretty much useless in the street or against a BJJ fighter.

True that JJJ was supposted to be deadly but how did they pull off the move if they didnt know how to apply it under pressure.....and how is one to master a deadly tech if it was meant for killing....did they go through warriors faster then the enemies did?..that mystical mumbo jumo makes me laugh.Ive seen plenty of streetfights and have been in a few myself and i will tell you hands down i have seen a crappy attempt at a scarf hold at least 20 times a fight...no joke....if you can get the armlock with the legs from scarfhold and stand up explosivly then say goodbye to that shoulder for about 6 months minimum.

[Jiu Jitsu Monk]

[quote=JkD187]

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Monk

True that JJJ was supposted to be deadly but how did they pull off the move if they didnt know how to apply it under pressure.....and how is one to master a deadly tech if it was meant for killing....did they go through warriors faster then the enemies did?..that mystical mumbo jumo makes me laugh.Ive seen plenty of streetfights and have been in a few myself and i will tell you hands down i have seen a crappy attempt at a scarf hold at least 20 times a fight...no joke....if you can get the armlock with the legs from scarfhold and stand up explosivly then say goodbye to that shoulder for about 6 months minimum.

How they learnt to pull off the move or practice it I have no idea. I have been shown some of the moves by a Japanese Soki who is suposed to be the last holder of Samuri scrolls. And he can really make them seem like they would work. But as with many martial arts they work once you have been training since you were like 4 yrs old. I guess when the Samuri were on the battle field which is when JJ was developed you had the chance to test them for real. To some extent I think pure repetion of a move can give you the ability to then carry out that move for real and as a Samuri worrier what else did you have to do other than practice fighting and make tea But as we now know, it is better to pressure test them. This kind of gets me onto the subject about how belts are just given away in martial arts these days when the student really couldnn't fight their way out of a brown paper bag. In samuri times, the only way you became senior was by surviving. Therefore the requirement was to be a good fighter! But that is a different subject.

Re the scarf hold. I agree. If you get the armlock under the leg as well as the scarf hold, you'll rip their arm off. But how many thugs (possibly even Judo players) know that. All they do is crank the neck to no real and end provide a very easy escape opportunity to the BJJ guy.

[JkD187]

Yes indeed the bjj guy will usually hook a leg and go out the back door and lock in the rnc.As for the Samurai testing it in battle i guess that might be a good answer but wouldnt it suck if the one guy withthe most exp on what actually worked got killed...they woulda had to do it all over again .

[Jiu Jitsu Monk]

Originally Posted by JkD187

Yes indeed the bjj guy will usually hook a leg and go out the back door and lock in the rnc.As for the Samurai testing it in battle i guess that might be a good answer but wouldnt it suck if the one guy withthe most exp on what actually worked got killed...they woulda had to do it all over again .

That's a really funny thought. Maybe that is why JJ only developed so far and left room for improvement. It's not like the human body has changed. So maybe they kept having to re-invet the wheel so to speak. Everytime the guy with most knowledge got nailed in battle, it was back to the drawing board. Although the human body may not have changed but what we wear has........as in we don't all walk around in Samuri Amour any more and a lot of the real traditional techniques revolve around exactly that.

[jubaji]

[quote=Jiu Jitsu Monk]

Originally Posted by JkD187

idea. I have been shown some of the moves by a Japanese Soki who is suposed to be the last holder of Samuri scrolls. .

Oh brother...............

[jubaji]

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Monk

In samurai times, the only way you became senior was by surviving. Therefore the requirement was to be a good fighter! But that is a different subject.

Actually, there were literally centuries of relative peace within which people didn't spend every waking moment in desperate struggle ( ) and information was transmitted just as it has always been.

Let's not get too romantic here...