The Ultimate in Martial Arts

E1am · 01-12-2001, 04:47 AM

I just found out that Rorion went and registered the Gracie name in Japan. Just like he did in the US. Aparently he and Rickson have been battling it out in the Japanese legal system over the right to use the name 'Gracie' for about two years.

Grahf1 · 01-12-2001, 05:59 AM

What's wrong with this family?

SweepEm · 01-12-2001, 06:28 AM

Some people put money ahead of family.

Greed blinds people.

There is nothing worse than to see a family split because of money. This happened when my uncle died several years ago.
My uncle was not a wealthy man, but had a small savings account and my aunt (my uncle never married and this was his sister) was blinded by her greed and had her daughter try every which way to convince her daughter, who was conservator of his estate to divide the estate in her favor.
It was a mess and the end result is that my Mom is estranged from the her best friend, her sister.
This is so stupid and it really wasn't all that much money involved. That's the idiotic basis for this ridiculous situation.

bobby_steeles · 01-12-2001, 04:28 PM

what does that mean exactly? he can't represent gracie jiu-jitsu? i don't understand how you can legally prohibit your brother from using his last name in any way he would want to. it's like if tito snagged the rights to the "jackson" name.

Badger · 01-12-2001, 04:48 PM

Maybe Rickson & Rorion could settle it in the ring

bobby_steeles · 01-12-2001, 04:53 PM

no way, rorion's a lawyer. unless they did it before the hearing so he could wear a neckbrace to court a la the brady bunch episode where mike brady throws his briefcase on the ground to expose the guy claiming to have whiplash.

SweepEm · 01-12-2001, 05:33 PM

Brady Bunch?

HA!

Man, either you as old as I am, older, or you're in a time warp.

bobby_steeles · 01-12-2001, 07:28 PM

or maybe i should just be ashamed of that last post...
hey sweep, did you used to get dressed up like johnny bravo?

sccr06 · 01-12-2001, 08:06 PM

I think what Rorion is trying to do is register "Gracie Jiu Jitsu" as a title that cannot be used by Rickson. So Rickson could not call his business Gracie Jiu Jitsu. He could call it Rickson Jiu Jitsu though!

The American dream....legislation!

Ryu (non-working password · 01-12-2001, 08:08 PM

If he's so unbeatable, why not let him use the name?
I would think Rorion would want the Gracie jiu-jitsu name to be with Rickson the way they talk about him.

Hawk · 01-12-2001, 08:15 PM

First, as all know, I'm pretty close to Royce & Rorion.
2nd, it was a long time before everyone knew that in fact it was Carley that sued Rorion and Rorion counter filed and won big time. Bottom line in that deal was Carley drew first blood. Now, I don't know about this in Japan and until there is a lot more then what's on the board its my opinion that jumping to conclusions at this point in time may be a jump in the dark.
Hawk

dan downard · 01-12-2001, 08:51 PM

Who cares?The instruction is what you are looking for.I am sure that Hawk would still be training with Royce even if the place was called Graceland Jiu Jitsu.Am I wrong Hawk?

sccr06 · 01-13-2001, 01:54 AM

For those of us not in the know,...what happened between Rickson and Rorion? One minute Rickson is in Royce's corner at UFC, the next he is in Japan and Helio is on video talking about how Rickson's record is not accurate.

Was it just a split because Rickson did not want to teach at Rorion's school or something else?

Enquiring minds want to know...

Grahf1 · 01-13-2001, 03:58 AM

Could this be why Rickson won't fight Sak?

Pintufa · 01-14-2001, 03:32 PM

rickson's not teaching for rorion anymore because he realized he could make more if he opened his own school.

01-12-2001, 08:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
sccr06 Novice Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: LA, CA Posts: 311 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think what Rorion is trying to do is register "Gracie Jiu Jitsu" as a title that cannot be used by Rickson. So Rickson could not call his business Gracie Jiu Jitsu. He could call it Rickson Jiu Jitsu though! The American dream....legislation! __________________ The noble soul has reverence for itself -Neitzsche

01-12-2001, 08:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ryu (non-working password Advanced Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 1,269 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	If he's so unbeatable, why not let him use the name? I would think Rorion would want the Gracie jiu-jitsu name to be with Rickson the way they talk about him. __________________ [img] http://www.angelfire.com/anime/gohandbz11/fdeath.gif[/img] Hontoo da to iu koto o mitomenakereba narimasen.

01-12-2001, 08:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
Hawk Master Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,081 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	First, as all know, I'm pretty close to Royce & Rorion. 2nd, it was a long time before everyone knew that in fact it was Carley that sued Rorion and Rorion counter filed and won big time. Bottom line in that deal was Carley drew first blood. Now, I don't know about this in Japan and until there is a lot more then what's on the board its my opinion that jumping to conclusions at this point in time may be a jump in the dark. Hawk __________________ You cannot run away from a weakness; Sometimes you must fight it out or perish; And if that be so; Why not now and where you stand.

01-12-2001, 08:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
dan downard Advanced Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 591 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Who cares?The instruction is what you are looking for.I am sure that Hawk would still be training with Royce even if the place was called Graceland Jiu Jitsu.Am I wrong Hawk? __________________

01-13-2001, 01:54 AM	#13 (permalink)
sccr06 Novice Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: LA, CA Posts: 311 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	For those of us not in the know,...what happened between Rickson and Rorion? One minute Rickson is in Royce's corner at UFC, the next he is in Japan and Helio is on video talking about how Rickson's record is not accurate. Was it just a split because Rickson did not want to teach at Rorion's school or something else? Enquiring minds want to know... __________________ The noble soul has reverence for itself -Neitzsche

01-12-2001, 04:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
E1am Advanced Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Seattle, Washington USA Posts: 706 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	I just found out that Rorion went and registered the Gracie name in Japan. Just like he did in the US. Aparently he and Rickson have been battling it out in the Japanese legal system over the right to use the name 'Gracie' for about two years.

01-12-2001, 05:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Grahf1 Novice Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 116 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	What's wrong with this family?

01-12-2001, 06:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
SweepEm Master Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,845 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Some people put money ahead of family. Greed blinds people. There is nothing worse than to see a family split because of money. This happened when my uncle died several years ago. My uncle was not a wealthy man, but had a small savings account and my aunt (my uncle never married and this was his sister) was blinded by her greed and had her daughter try every which way to convince her daughter, who was conservator of his estate to divide the estate in her favor. It was a mess and the end result is that my Mom is estranged from the her best friend, her sister. This is so stupid and it really wasn't all that much money involved. That's the idiotic basis for this ridiculous situation.

01-12-2001, 04:28 PM	#4 (permalink)
bobby_steeles Advanced Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: in front of my computer Posts: 649 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	what does that mean exactly? he can't represent gracie jiu-jitsu? i don't understand how you can legally prohibit your brother from using his last name in any way he would want to. it's like if tito snagged the rights to the "jackson" name.

01-12-2001, 04:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
Badger Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Dallas,TX Posts: 268 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Maybe Rickson & Rorion could settle it in the ring

01-12-2001, 04:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
bobby_steeles Advanced Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: in front of my computer Posts: 649 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	no way, rorion's a lawyer. unless they did it before the hearing so he could wear a neckbrace to court a la the brady bunch episode where mike brady throws his briefcase on the ground to expose the guy claiming to have whiplash.

01-12-2001, 05:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
SweepEm Master Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,845 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Brady Bunch? HA! Man, either you as old as I am, older, or you're in a time warp.

01-12-2001, 07:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
bobby_steeles Advanced Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: in front of my computer Posts: 649 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	or maybe i should just be ashamed of that last post... hey sweep, did you used to get dressed up like johnny bravo?

01-13-2001, 03:58 AM	#14 (permalink)
Grahf1 Novice Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 116 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Could this be why Rickson won't fight Sak?

01-14-2001, 03:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
Pintufa Novice Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Ninguna parte especial Posts: 22 Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	rickson's not teaching for rorion anymore because he realized he could make more if he opened his own school. __________________ Do you smell that? That's me reeking of awsomeness!!

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